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Like I said, I was just saying. WE found that even eating what we thought was sensibly, we were eating more than was compatible with weight loss (using ww guidelines, which assume average metabolism). I cannot speak for anyone else or their metabolism, of course.
Well, it's fairly obvious (to me) that mine has dropped. I also think what I haven't seen addressed (tho' I read so many pages, it may have been) is that in the last what, 10 years or so, we have hormones in our meat, and dairy.
I've read articles on this having and effect on boys' breasts growing larger as well as, girls developing sooner ect.
I now only buy hormone free milk and meat as well as, organic veggies and fruit. I haven't lost tons of weight but I have put on more muscle and have not gained any additional weight in 3 years
are we talking about the impact of dropping ones prozac to avoid weight gain, or of drinking sugary drinks for mental health? The former, by all means deal with the depression first. The latter - well I would seriously doubt the long term mental health benefits of a sugar high (leaving aside the mental health issues created by complications from obesity)
Well everyone doesn't pop a prozac to deal with their mental health issues. For many obese people food is their drug. I would think that they need to address the underlying issue of why they overeat first. But that's just me.
Well, it's fairly obvious (to me) that mine has dropped. I also think what I haven't seen addressed (tho' I read so many pages, it may have been) is that in the last what, 10 years or so, we have hormones in our meat, and dairy.
That was mentioned I think in another thread - one of the POSSIBLE contributors to the obesity epidemic.
I doubt its decisive though. One can look at maps of obesity in the USA by county (which, BTW, track reasonably well with maps for diabetes). The low obesity areas are, AFAICT, not mostly folks eating organic meat and dairy - (I would never tell someone not to eat organic - its better for the environment, even if the health benefits are far from certain) - I think it takes total calorie intake and activity to explain the lions share of it.
Well everyone doesn't pop a prozac to deal with their mental health issues. For many obese people food is their drug. I would think that they need to address the underlying issue of why they overeat first. But that's just me.
not necessarily. I have read a good bit on depression, and how people will self medicate with caffeine, sugar, and butterfat (and its interesting that a lot of indulgence drinks and foods COMBINE those) - and everything I've read suggests those make the depression WORSE. You get temporary relief, but when it wears off you feel worse. I have been told that eating more fresh foods, and less caffeine/sugar etc is one of the steps to take to fight the depression.
not necessarily. I have read a good bit on depression, and how people will self medicate with caffeine, sugar, and butterfat (and its interesting that a lot of indulgence drinks and foods COMBINE those) - and everything I've read suggests those make the depression WORSE. You get temporary relief, but when it wears off you feel worse. I have been told that eating more fresh foods, and less caffeine/sugar etc is one of the steps to take to fight the depression.
That's not the point. Drugs and alcohol makes depression worse yet people still abuse them. You can tell people that eating healthy will make things better but that doesn't mean that they will do it.
Besides not all mental health issues are caused by a chemical imbalance. Do you think eating salads and apples will help a person who has had a hellish childhood?
That's not the point. Drugs and alcohol makes depression worse yet people still abuse them. You can tell people that eating healthy will make things better but that doesn't mean that they will do it.
Besides not all mental health issues are caused by a chemical imbalance. Do you think eating salads and apples will help a person who had a hellish childhood?
From what I have read, there is no distinction among professionals between so called chemical depressions and so called situational depressions. Thats a distinction made by people trying to defend using an SSRI from attacks by "deal with your life situation first" people.
In fact all depressions are impacted by stress, and all are expressed chemically in the brain. Stress itself IMPACTS brain chemistry. Therapy to address life issues and meds can help with depressions - psychiatrists do NOT reserve meds for so called chemical depressions, and therapists use cognitive behavioral techniques to help people deal with stress whatever the origin of their depression.
If you have a depression that is heavily impacted by something in your life situation, using sugar as a drug probably STILL makes the depression worse, and switching to fresh foods (and exercising, BTW) will probably still help. Theres no reason to delay those changes till you have addressed the stresses, and delaying might just make it harder to adress them.
You can tell people that eating healthy will make things better but that doesn't mean that they will do it.
So? where did I claim to be God? Im just saying that the idea of delaying improving your diet and exercise till your mental health improves is silly. I never said I can stop people from being silly.
Besides not all mental health issues are caused by a chemical imbalance. Do you think eating salads and apples will help a person who has had a hellish childhood?
To the extent they'll help anyone else, I'd say yes. As someone who has had an actual bout with major depression in the midst of an otherwise pretty happy and stress free life, I'd say a hellish childhood plays no bigger a role in that than in any other type of affliction such as cancer or heart disease. The cause and effect linkage is pretty weak but people prefer to focus on it because they love to blame their problems on something other than random chance and bad genes for some reason (like people who blame autism on childhood innoculations). There are plenty of people with hellish childhoods who never develop major depression and plenty with happy childhoods who do. I'm sticking with the random chance/genetics causing chemical imbalance theory.
To the extent they'll help anyone else, I'd say yes. As someone who has had an actual bout with major depression in the midst of an otherwise pretty happy and stress free life, I'd say a hellish childhood plays no bigger a role in that than in any other type of affliction such as cancer or heart disease. The cause and effect linkage is pretty weak but people prefer to focus on it because they love to blame their problems on something other than random chance and bad genes for some reason (like people who blame autism on childhood innoculations). There are plenty of people with hellish childhoods who never develop major depression and plenty with happy childhoods who do. I'm sticking with the random chance/genetics causing chemical imbalance theory.
I would say current stresses play a role, and IIUC the causality there is pretty well established, and I dont see how that excludes a role for genetics and chemistry. Its like a car tire. Some tires are so worn they blow anyway. Some road hazards will blow the strongest tire. But usually its some combination of a road hazards and tire weakness. From what I have gathered, our neurotransmitters are designed to get us through daily stress. But extreme or repeated stress can mess up a healthy neurotransmitter system, and some folks are more vulnerable in their neurotransmitter systems (though the amount of stress involved matters to them too) I mean with CVD, we can all accept that diet matters, and genetics matters, and that they INTERACT. For some reason we can't accept a mixed causuality for depression. It has to be one or the other, and the solution has to map to the cause.
So? where did I claim to be God? Im just saying that the idea of delaying improving your diet and exercise till your mental health improves is silly. I never said I can stop people from being silly.
I'm not advocating getting years of therapy before adopting a healthier lifestyle. I do think that if people focus on their mental health first and foremost that everything else will fall in line.
Diet and exercise do help but it's very difficult to do when your mind is not in the right place. People focus so much on the scale that they ignore the underlying reasons of why they gained the weight in the first place. This is why I think most diets fail.
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I do think that if people focus on their mental health first and foremost that everything else will fall in line.
