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So what percentage hormones and what percent diet and exercise?
100% of your dietary intake and exercise output is whats important.
Hormones are just part of what may make it go faster/slower and reflect different muscle building abilities. There are also the ones that affect hunger.
But I don't want to build more muscle. That would just add weight. Most older guys should really focus more on getting to an acceptable weight to help maintain their health rather than worrying about muscle building ability. If you have an average muscle mass you'll still look fine even if your main form of exercise if cardio.
Ok?
I was just stating what is affected by age. Men should worry about it though. When your testosterone starts dropping so does your mood and energy. Trying to keep muscle or build more can help combat that naturally. The more muscle you have compared to fat, the higher your testosterone levels are going to be. It also helps control your fat dist, red blood cell count, and bone density.
I do think people should triage the needs. Not ignore any of them. Healthy weight should be number one. But the older you are the more important it is to have strength training to maintain what you have as its not going to build up as easily as before. You have to be strong in your twilight years to have healthy bones, better balance, etc.
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You were fat and then thin because your genetics allow you to become fat. The skinny people who overeat and never exercise and somehow manage to stay skinny do not balance it out with exercise, because they do not exercise. People with bad genes have to work hard and suffer through diet and exercise in order to lose weight. I still have not lost any good weight up until this point and it is beginning to bother me.
I know a couple of people who fit that billing, but they do exercise and they do eat responsibly. The people I know that will never get fat and can eat what they want tend to be very high energy people who speak fast, move fast and can't sit still for a minute without twitching, fidgeting or presenting with restless leg. They must keep moving. All the time.
When those people are at a social dinner eating decadent foods and consuming alcohol, that isn't a normal dietary pattern for them. They generally eat light meals and snack reasonably in-between when no one is looking. They have a higher metabolic "baseline" than some of the people around them, but if they eat more calories than they burn they also store those as fat. There's no way around that in the animal kingdom as far as I'm aware.
On the other side of the equation I see people who express envy at the people described above, but those people eat decadent, high calorie foods on special occasions and when no one is looking, they do not exercise and are susceptible to rooting on the couch with the TV on.
It's really not magic, bad genetics or bad luck. It's just math. If you eat 500 calories less than you burn for seven days in a row you will lose one pound of fat. Body transformation is a long, slow, difficult process and the most important ingredient is discipline. I know that's about like telling a golfer with a bad slice that all he or she needs to do is stop putting screwball spin on the ball, but it really is a simple process to get a human body to shed fat. The difficult part is getting a human brain to go along with the simple process.
At the base of it all, obesity is a choice. You may have had any number of disadvantages and been subjected to any number of abuses or psychological traumas, but if you are obese you are choosing to be obese at the irreducible prime.
100% of your dietary intake and exercise output is whats important.
Hormones are just part of what may make it go faster/slower and reflect different muscle building abilities. There are also the ones that affect hunger.
Which hormones do you mean, specificially? And what do each of them control?
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If that was the case, they wouldn't call it "fat acceptance." They'd call it "people acceptance." They wouldn't promote it with fliers and ads of obese people saying that people should accept their fatness.
No one should have to accept anyone's fatness. And if that fatness isn't affecting the cost of medicine, insurance, the quality of life (such as it is) on airplanes and in other close quarters, then no one should really care one way or another about fatness. They shouldn't accept it, OR reject it.
However, if it interferes with the quality of life (such as it is) on airplanes, other close quarters, the cost of medicine, and insurance, then yes - people can, may, and should retain the right to take issue with it. Including the people who are obese, themselves. If their health is suffering as a result of their weight (as opposed to their weight suffering as a result of health issues, which is a different thing), then they should be riled up and angry and working their tails off to DO something about it.
Instead of hurling flames of righteous indignation at people about how we have to be nice to them *because* they are obese.
Obesity is a PROBLEM. It is not a healthy way to be. It contributes illness such as diabetes, it contributes to hygeine problems (notice I didn't say causes it), contributes to skeletal issues. A person who is obese might well be very healthy, currently. But a person who is obese is putting himself at HIGH RISK of troubles.
With the exception of the profoundly stupid, and a certain culture in Africa, no one sets out with the intention of becoming obese. Some prefer to be a little on the plump side, some men like a woman with a grabbable butt. But obesity is not an end goal. The media isn't the reason for that. The media's idea of obese is a size 14. So don't be blaming the media for anyone's size 30 jeans being too tight.
Maybe some of you should watch Fat at 15 and see how much of a struggle it is for these young teenagers to just get through a day of fresh air and exercise and healthy eating and healthy *choices*...
No, the political "Fat Acceptance" issue is -not- about treating people like people. It's about emphasizing obesity and putting it in a positive light, and then lobbying to make manufacturers accommodate the extra weight on their vehicles, strengthen their chairs, put padding on the edges of tables so obese people don't hurt themselves when they try to maneuver a corner in a local diner, etc. etc. It is a political movement about obesity. Not about people.
Well.......then maybe they should change it to People Acceptance. I still feel it's Fat Acceptance, referring to "the fat" as in fat people--much the same way society uses "the elderly" "the disabled" "the young".
As a former very fat person, I already know this is a wasted argument, because nothing fat people say, do, try, explain, or offer is ever good enough. If they don't try and try and try to get the results that society expects, the're just lazy gluttonous worthless wastes of space and air.
If they do try and try and try and don't get the results that society expects, then they're lying cheating worthless wastes of space and air.
It's a no win situation. I don't know why I ever wade into these discussions; it's an argument that can't be settled.
Not everyone is meant to be skinny. I do not accept this movement of promoting emaciated girls as a definition of beauty. A women should have curves not silicon. Fat is a relative term. Some people view anyone over a size 6 as heavy. I think people should strive to be a healthy weight but be realistic. I have struggled with my weight my entire life and I am now working towards taking off weight. I will not be skinny when I achieve my goals but I will be comfortable with myself. I think that is what is important.
Not everyone is meant to be skinny. I do not accept this movement of promoting emaciated girls as a definition of beauty. A women should have curves not silicon. Fat is a relative term. Some people view anyone over a size 6 as heavy. I think people should strive to be a healthy weight but be realistic. I have struggled with my weight my entire life and I am now working towards taking off weight. I will not be skinny when I achieve my goals but I will be comfortable with myself. I think that is what is important.
I agree that there is no simple target to measure the right size. For the same reason we shouldn't promote emaciated girls we shouldn't simply accept obesity as OK.
A healthy weight also includes a general level of cardio vascular fitness.
Not everyone is meant to be skinny. I do not accept this movement of promoting emaciated girls as a definition of beauty. A women should have curves not silicon. Fat is a relative term. Some people view anyone over a size 6 as heavy. I think people should strive to be a healthy weight but be realistic. I have struggled with my weight my entire life and I am now working towards taking off weight. I will not be skinny when I achieve my goals but I will be comfortable with myself. I think that is what is important.
The moment I hear the word "emaciated" in these discussions is the moment I know someone's emotions are talking instead of someone's reason and logic. This is emotionally loaded hyperbolic language at its worst. If you want to know what emaciated is you need to look at some pictures of the liberation of World War II concentration camps in Europe, or the liberation of Japanese-held prisoners of war in the Pacific theater.
the moment i hear the word "emaciated" in these discussions is the moment i know someone's emotions are talking instead of someone's reason and logic. This is emotionally loaded hyperbolic language at its worst. If you want to know what emaciated is you need to look at some pictures of the liberation of world war ii concentration camps in europe, or the liberation of japanese-held prisoners of war in the pacific theater.
ummmmmm ... well, pictures speak louder than words.
If not for the make-up, hair, clothes and backdrops, quite a few models would indeed look like concentration camp victims.
Yep, there is no question about it. The first and third pictures are of emaciated women. I have never, ever, seen pictures like that except in the context of war prisoners, Nazi victims, or famine victims. Where in the hell did you come up with such images? I have never paid much attention to fashion; even as a male I don't give much of a hoot about men's fashion. If you are saying that bodies like those in the first and third pictures are held up as something to be emulated, then I have two things to say:
1. I retract my statement in my post in the face of evidence to the contrary.
2. Things have gotten sick, sick, sick beyond my possible imagining. I am 67 and perhaps I am just too old to be aware of how extreme the modern world has become.
Still, if I can be permitted a bit of stubborness, I maintain that the word "ematiated" is sometimes tossed about too loosely. But believe me, I am beyond shocked at your images. I would hope that what you have posted represents an extreme fringe and that less than one-one thousandths of one percent of American females (and males too) would find such bodies attractive. My ex-wife was slender and I prefer slender women. But I cannot over-emphasize that I find pictures number 1 and 3 to be disgusting.
I would really like to gain some perspective on this. If you think you can help me, please post again.
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Emaciated? Hello?
