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The WW generally sounds like how a healthy vegetarian or pescitarian lives, but without the need to count points since it's all largely fruits and veggies with a weekly fish dish or two (for pesci's) and whole grains. What's interesting about being veg is that even tho you can eat crap you are limited in the crap you can eat because dairy and gelatin are in so many processed foods that a person just doesn't have all of it available. Plus having to be aware of the food you eat 24/7 increases the frequency of healthy choices. It's easier to eat whole. Since I joined my current department at work (as the only veg/now pesci) they are forced to have a few veggie options (options where I don't have to guess at the contents of a broth or sauce, so usually steamed) at every lunch meeting rather than the typical beef, chicken, pork options. That's good for everybody.
I agree that our daily diets should consist mostly of vegetables, fruits, and lean proteins. I think that's some common ground between us.
I agree that our daily diets should consist mostly of vegetables, fruits, and lean proteins. I think that's some common ground between us.
It appears to be an optimal diet for most in so many ways. I don't know if it was in this thread, but I recently posted a study about IBDs (crohn's et al) and how a semi-veg diet resulted in high remission rates for these people. The typical suggested diet is low residue, but based on what I've been reading there is no evidence of remission with a low res diet. Talk about contrary.
Anyhow, we all have different preferences. Agreement only really matters among people who share a household.
It appears to be an optimal diet for most in so many ways. I don't know if it was in this thread, but I recently posted a study about IBDs (crohn's et al) and how a semi-veg diet resulted in high remission rates for these people. The typical suggested diet is low residue, but based on what I've been reading there is no evidence of remission with a low res diet. Talk about contrary.
Anyhow, we all have different preferences. Agreement only really matters among people who share a household.
It's not so important to me that I AGREE with people on things - but I do like to discuss things in a mutually respectful manner - on this forum and in real life. Finding a common ground is a good way to humanize the other person and to encourage mutual respect.
It just seems like such common sense to eat mostly veggies and fruits, whole grains vs processed stuff, less sugar, less salt, high quality proteins, etc. Nearly everyone would benefit from such a diet - it sure beats the hell out of the typical American diet, anyway.
It's not so important to me that I AGREE with people on things - but I do like to discuss things in a mutually respectful manner - on this forum and in real life. Finding a common ground is a good way to humanize the other person and to encourage mutual respect.
It just seems like such common sense to eat mostly veggies and fruits, whole grains vs processed stuff, less sugar, less salt, high quality proteins, etc. Nearly everyone would benefit from such a diet - it sure beats the hell out of the typical American diet, anyway.
I think there may be some slight addiction going on. I went to lunch last week with a colleague and we shared a plate of veggie fried rice. It was a nice restaurant, to be clear. So, not crap food across the board. There was something in that rice, I'm guessing MSG. I could have eaten the whole plate myself. Even when I was no longer hungry I wanted more of it. That's the kind of stuff that's diet dangerous. It was up there with watermelon martinis. Also dangerous!
I think there may be some slight addiction going on. I went to lunch last week with a colleague and we shared a plate of veggie fried rice. It was a nice restaurant, to be clear. So, not crap food across the board. There was something in that rice, I'm guessing MSG. I could have eaten the whole plate myself. Even when I was no longer hungry I wanted more of it. That's the kind of stuff that's diet dangerous. It was up there with watermelon martinis. Also dangerous!
I got addicted to Grey Goose martinis two days ago myself! It was all I could do to extricate myself from their grasp!
Your comment reminded me of this story which I watched a few years back. Does status trump taste? GG has done a very good job of convincing people they have the world's best tasting vodka.
This, of course, doesn't only apply to vodka. Companies are good at convincing people they have the best and there's no need to look elsewhere. Clearly, adding the status element to a product doesn't hurt sales either. People like status.
It really does pay to experiment with a variety of brands rather than rely solely on slick advertising. I'm not implying you do, but plenty of people are.
I'm not much of a vodka drinker but after watching the above I had to try a few brands straight up for myself. GG is indeed lousy tasting vodka, and Smirnoff did taste better.
Your comment reminded me of this story which I watched a few years back. Does status trump taste? GG has done a very good job of convincing people they have the world's best tasting vodka.
This, of course, doesn't only apply to vodka. Companies are good at convincing people they have the best and there's no need to look elsewhere. Clearly, adding the status element to a product doesn't hurt sales either. People like status.
It really does pay to experiment with a variety of brands rather than rely solely on slick advertising. I'm not implying you do, but plenty of people are.
I'm not much of a vodka drinker but after watching the above I had to try a few brands straight up for myself. GG is indeed lousy tasting vodka, and Smirnoff did taste better.
To each his own. I like vodka (though I don't drink hard liquor very often). Since vodka is one of the few hard liquors I like, I have tried several brands over the years. I prefer Grey Goose.
What I'm talking about is the entire process - how the cows are raised, what they are fed, what growth/production hormones they are given, antibiotics, etc - when I say "processed."
There is a name for this, its called organic and there are organic low-fat milks as such your commentary still makes no sense.
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Olive oil and almonds are high fat foods as well - that's why we should only eat them in moderation. That's why I drink milk in moderation.
And that's also why I do not purchase milk or milk products from sources which use artificial hormones.
Yes, olive oil and almonds are also high in fat and as such can promote obesity as well. Talking about consuming these foods "in moderation" is meaningless, you consume dairy on a daily basis yet describe that as "in moderation". If you consume olive oil, almonds, dairy and other high fat foods all in "moderation" you can easily end up with a extremely high fat diet.
As I pointed out previously, milk naturally contains hormones in it. The only difference between dairy that has been produced by cattle given hormones and natural dairy is that the former may have a bit more hormones, but not dramatically so.
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