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Old 03-05-2016, 09:47 AM
 
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It definitely isnt healthy to do that, but it doesnt necessarily mean its going to make your belly fat. Other factors will include your overall nutritional intake, current body type, exercise plan and exercise intensity levels, etc.

I am a beer drinker. I heavy beer drinker. For the past year or so I've put away on average 3-4 beers per day. That is PER DAY!! I drink waaaaay too much beer. I year ago I was 176 lbs with 31-32 in waist. Today, as of just a few minutes ago I weighed in at 177.2 lbs and have 31" waist and still have visible abs.

This is because I eat right (with the occasional 2 IN-N-Out double double burgers) and workout 2-3 times per day (morning cardio of 5-7 mile run or hour of jump rope, Crossfit or HIT weight training in the afternoon, and martial arts training most nights). If you train like this, maybe you two can still have flat belly while drinking your 2 cans of beer per day.

Moderate alcohol consumption (1-2 drinks per day) is associated with health benefits.

Body fat is simply excess energy stored in the fat cells. As far as the "belly fat", there is no type of energy source that specifically targets the stomach. Your genetics determine where excess energy is stored.
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Old 03-05-2016, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Encino, CA
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Moderate alcohol consumption (1-2 drinks per day) is associated with health benefits.
Lets not get ridiculous here. Having two shots of whiskey or two glasses of Everclear or two vodka shots are NOT associated with "health benefits". Its 4-6 ounces of RED WINE once per day with dinner that some studies show has some health benefits. Lets get it right, especially for others who come here looking for accurate info. It is NOT just "two alcoholic drinks per day".



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Body fat is simply excess energy stored in the fat cells.
Hmmm....."body fat, is energy stored in fat cells"? Lets read that again, "Body fat, stored in fat CELLS"? If this is "energy", then why do fat people seem to have such little of it compared to those with smaller amount of fat on their bodies? Again, you have just a couple of snowflakes of info and seem to want to run with it, when there is an entire iceberg of additional info you are missing. Sure, when I am reducing my body fat percentage (i.e., cutting) I run early morning on empty stomach because I find that it melts bodyfat away at a super super rapid pace compared to fueling before a run, but if you were to look at the athletes who seem to have the most energy, its the ones with very little bodyfat - like the Ethiopian distance runners, or Jamacian sprinters. Internal (visceral) fat is extremely dangerous and incredibly unhealthy. This is the fat that people seem to either forget about, ignore, or just have no knowledge of. The lower the bodyfat in the person, the healthier they are and the greater likelyhood of longer life.

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Old 03-05-2016, 09:14 PM
 
Location: AZ
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I think one or two beers a day is fine. Eating too much of the wrong foods and being sedentary will cause a fat belly.
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Old 03-06-2016, 12:06 AM
 
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It is NOT just "two alcoholic drinks per day".
I could be totally wrong. But I'm pretty sure that taking in low doses of alcohol (in any form) can have benefits.

I bet most of these benefits are derived from the social interaction and/or relaxation that is involved with moderate drinking. It doesn't have to be red wine.
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Old 03-06-2016, 09:34 AM
 
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I could be totally wrong. But I'm pretty sure that taking in low doses of alcohol (in any form) can have benefits.

I bet most of these benefits are derived from the social interaction and/or relaxation that is involved with moderate drinking. It doesn't have to be red wine.
http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publicatio...24-1/05-11.pdf

You are correct in that there are some health benefits to low/moderate consumption of alcohol (defined as 1 drink per day for women and 2 drinks per day for men). The NIH publication I posted did not say wine, it said alcoholic drinks. The benefits are very modest and seem to be greater in men than women. There are also risks associated with alcohol consumption.
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Old 03-06-2016, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Wine Country
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http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publicatio...24-1/05-11.pdf

You are correct in that there are some health benefits to low/moderate consumption of alcohol (defined as 1 drink per day for women and 2 drinks per day for men). The NIH publication I posted did not say wine, it said alcoholic drinks. The benefits are very modest and seem to be greater in men than women. There are also risks associated with alcohol consumption.
Wine and beer is accepted as well. The reason being is that it lowers stress. Red wine has health properties in it but moderation is the key.

As an aside I watched a 60 Minutes where they went to a retirement resort where there were quite a few people well into their 90's who were quite active. They all said they drank everyday and had for years. Good genes? Maybe. But there is something to be said about lowering stress which is the number one killer.
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Old 03-06-2016, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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According to the Annals of Internal Medicine, any alcohol, not just red wine, may confer health benefits.

Wine Isn’t Special: Drinking a Small Amount of any Alcohol Can Be Good for your Health

"For many years, researchers believed red wine might be a magical elixir. This notion dated back to the 1990s and what's known as the "French paradox" — the observation that the French drank lots of wine and had lower rates of cardiovascular disease.

We now know this is likely wrong. Scientists have since discovered that drinking very small amounts of any type of alcohol — no more than one drink a day for women, two for men — may have some modest health and heart benefits. There's nothing special about red wine on this score. It could be white wine, or beer, or whiskey."
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Old 03-07-2016, 03:44 PM
 
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Lets not get ridiculous here. Having two shots of whiskey or two glasses of Everclear or two vodka shots are NOT associated with "health benefits". Its 4-6 ounces of RED WINE once per day with dinner that some studies show has some health benefits. Lets get it right, especially for others who come here looking for accurate info. It is NOT just "two alcoholic drinks per day". .
Look at the studies and you will see there is an independent association between any kind of moderate alcohol intake and health benefits.

Here is a review of some of the hundreds of studies done on this:

http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publicatio...24-1/05-11.pdf





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Hmmm....."body fat, is energy stored in fat cells"? Lets read that again, "Body fat, stored in fat CELLS"? If this is "energy", then why do fat people seem to have such little of it compared to those with smaller amount of fat on their bodies? Again, you have just a couple of snowflakes of info and seem to want to run with it, when there is an entire iceberg of additional info you are missing. Sure, when I am reducing my body fat percentage (i.e., cutting) I run early morning on empty stomach because I find that it melts bodyfat away at a super super rapid pace compared to fueling before a run, but if you were to look at the athletes who seem to have the most energy, its the ones with very little bodyfat - like the Ethiopian distance runners, or Jamacian sprinters. Internal (visceral) fat is extremely dangerous and incredibly unhealthy. This is the fat that people seem to either forget about, ignore, or just have no knowledge of. The lower the bodyfat in the person, the healthier they are and the greater likelyhood of longer life.
It sounds like you have no idea about metabolism or, even, what energy is. Yes, fat cells store excess energy. Here is a very simple and basic primer for you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adipocyte




Come back after you have read these and we can have a more intelligent conversation around these things.
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Old 03-08-2016, 12:21 PM
 
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How about low cal. Beer like miller light, budwiser s55? Its ok?
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Old 03-08-2016, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Wine Country
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According to the Annals of Internal Medicine, any alcohol, not just red wine, may confer health benefits.

Wine Isn’t Special: Drinking a Small Amount of any Alcohol Can Be Good for your Health

"For many years, researchers believed red wine might be a magical elixir. This notion dated back to the 1990s and what's known as the "French paradox" — the observation that the French drank lots of wine and had lower rates of cardiovascular disease.

We now know this is likely wrong. Scientists have since discovered that drinking very small amounts of any type of alcohol — no more than one drink a day for women, two for men — may have some modest health and heart benefits. There's nothing special about red wine on this score. It could be white wine, or beer, or whiskey."
Red Wine Burns Fat And Lowers Blood Pressure, Plus 5 Other Health Benefits For Winos

Reports: Two glasses of wine a day helps keep the weight away - Story | KTVU
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