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Old 04-24-2017, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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Any fluid will do . I just put up the mayo clinic link. Water might even make hydration worse depending on the water it is.

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In addition, beverages such as milk and juice are composed mostly of water. Even beer, wine and caffeinated beverages — such as coffee, tea or soda — can contribute, but these should not be a major portion of your daily total fluid intake. Water is still your best bet because it's calorie-free, inexpensive and readily available.
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Old 04-24-2017, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Wine Country
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2908954/



Asking for some form verification that caffeine drinks and alcohol do not act as diuretics as is generally thought.
From the site you listed.

"Nevertheless, there are major gaps in knowledge related to measurement of total fluid intake, hydration status at the population level, and few longer-term systematic interventions and no published random-controlled longer-term trials. We suggest some ways to examine water requirements as a means to encouraging more dialogue on this important topic."

I think this sentence pretty much sums up the whole water debate.
I love water and I believe, perhaps incorrectly, that it has enhanced my health.
My husband I think would benefit as well from drinking more water. Just water, not filtered through anything else. I may be full of it. But as of now, no one can prove me wrong.
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Old 04-24-2017, 12:06 PM
 
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2908954/



Asking for some form verification that caffeine drinks and alcohol do not act as diuretics as is generally thought.


More babbling nonsense

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-li...s/faq-20057965
Drinking caffeine–containing beverages as part of a normal lifestyle doesn't cause fluid loss in excess of the volume ingested. While caffeinated drinks may have a mild diuretic effect — meaning that they may cause the need to urinate — they don't appear to increase the risk of dehydration.

And beer.....She posted beer. Did ya see beer?



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Old 04-24-2017, 12:10 PM
 
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In addition, beverages such as milk and juice are composed mostly of water. Even beer, wine and caffeinated beverages — such as coffee, tea or soda — can contribute, but these should not be a major portion of your daily total fluid intake. Water is still your best bet because it's calorie-free, inexpensive and readily available.


Its so unlike you to completely butcher the subject matter....

One may choose to have water over a beer for "perfect hydration" . After all, who wants to be on the patio with only an 85% hydration efficient liquid when they could have perfect hydration?

if ya love water , go ahead. if you've had a few beers, you don't need another 8 glasses of water to chase it down.


This forum makes me roll my eyes.
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Old 04-24-2017, 12:12 PM
 
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From the site you listed.

"Nevertheless, there are major gaps in knowledge related to measurement of total fluid intake, hydration status at the population level, and few longer-term systematic interventions and no published random-controlled longer-term trials. We suggest some ways to examine water requirements as a means to encouraging more dialogue on this important topic."

I think this sentence pretty much sums up the whole water debate.
I love water and I believe, perhaps incorrectly, that it has enhanced my health.
My husband I think would benefit as well from drinking more water. Just water, not filtered through anything else. I may be full of it. But as of now, no one can prove me wrong.

My husband is always on me to drink more water.

I view water as what will hydrate me, if I get a little extra from beer, tea or fruits that just bonus. I would never keep myself hydrated that way.
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Old 04-24-2017, 12:31 PM
 
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A cucumber tomato salad with a little salt is nature's Gatorade. The water content is practically the weight of it. Added water may even wash out the potassium you just added. Any melon will hydrate spectacularly.

Nothing wrong with water, but nearly any fluid will hydrate you, except for many filtered waters, rain water or distilled water that is. Those without minerals may dehydrate you if had it in isolation. Have it with salted mashed potatoes or a salad with salty nuts.
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Old 04-24-2017, 01:07 PM
 
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I would have to disagree that alcoholic drinks can be part of your total water intake. Alcohol is a diuretic for sure and all the extra peeing will dehydrate you. It is widely known that if you spend a night drinking, consuming water either during or after the night will help you prevent or at least reduce a hangover. So yes, alcoholic drinks will hydrate you but at the same time dehydrate you. IMO, it's like taking one step forward and one step back.

P.S. I can also speak from experience. I have woken up many times during the night after a night of drinking with severe leg cramps. These cramps come from dehydration.
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Old 04-24-2017, 03:14 PM
 
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I would have to disagree that alcoholic drinks can be part of your total water intake. Alcohol is a diuretic for sure and all the extra peeing will dehydrate you. It is widely known that if you spend a night drinking, consuming water either during or after the night will help you prevent or at least reduce a hangover. So yes, alcoholic drinks will hydrate you but at the same time dehydrate you. IMO, it's like taking one step forward and one step back.

P.S. I can also speak from experience. I have woken up many times during the night after a night of drinking with severe leg cramps. These cramps come from dehydration.
More anecdotes. We just cannot get enough of them.



If you are talking about alcoholic binge drinking you will end up dehydrated wether you drink water or not. Have some mineral water and kale as an offset. You've just lost electrolytes and kicked the crap out of your liver.

A Boozy Beer That Won’t Give You a Hangover | TIME.com
But thanks to Australian scientists, there might finally be a cure at hand. As reported by the Australian, Researchers at Griffith University’s Health Institute in Queensland say they have invented a more hydrating beer by adding electrolytes, compounds commonly used in sports drinks, to their brew.
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It turns out many of the symptoms we associate with having too much to drink are caused by too much urination. When alcohol enters the bloodstream, it blocks the creation of a chemical that allows water to be re-absorbed back into our body. Instead, our kidneys send all water right to the bladder, eventually resulting in dehydration (and multiple bathroom trips).
Not only does this cause organs to steal water from the brain — contributing to morning-after headaches — but it also causes the body to lose nutrients like potassium and sodium that are responsible for healthy cell function. An absence of these electrolyte elements causes headaches, nausea, and fatigue. The researchers’ new beer should help alleviate these symptoms by replenishing those compounds.
drinking 8 glasses of filtered water also causes a loss of potassium and sodium .

Beer still hydrates on balance.

http://***.physiology.org/content/83/4/1152.full
These results suggest that alcohol has a negligible diuretic effect when consumed in dilute solution after a moderate level of hypohydration induced by exercise in the heat. There appears to be no difference in recovery from dehydration whether the rehydration beverage is alcohol free or contains up to 2% alcohol, but drinks containing 4% alcohol tend to delay the recovery process.



So again coffee, tea and beer provide liquids for hydration. You will not need just as much more water. You'd be better off trying to replace the electrolytes.
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