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You don't like the word "whiner", so I won't use it. I will just suggest that you grow up and stop complaining. Were you raised to believe that no one was supposed to criticize you? Much typing has been expended here for nothing, including mine, I'll admit, but I can't resist rebutting B.S. when I see it.
Let me explain this like you have the intelligence of a five year old. There is criticism and then there is criticism.
"I don't think you should do this because it would not reflect well on you for the following reasons. It could negatively impact your reputation as a hard worker..."
This is good criticism. This is welcomed advice. I would rep you for advice like this.
"I think by doing so exemplifies the immaturity and lack of intelligence on your part, and like most whiny Gen-Yers."
This is bad criticism. These are fightin' words.
Telling me that I need to grow up, well that's not very nice, because it implies that I lack a certain level of maturity that I should already possess. Do I tell you to grow old, decrepit and die? No. Because that is also not nice. Both statements are insulting to me and to you, because it has serious implications. You need to learn the difference between good (welcomed) criticism and bad (unwarranted) criticism.
First off, I'm 33 years old, at the very tail-end of Gen X or the beginning of Y, depending on who's classification system you're using. I am getting sick of reading thread after thread of my generation and younger whining and complaining about how it is impossible for them to get ahead (or even going) in today's word.
They whine about how it's impossible to go to school without becoming a debt-slave, impossible to buy a house, impossible to raise a family, impossible to even get a job, ect, ect...
WTF is wrong with you people? I worked my way up in my job field from 11 dollars an hour to 24 now, put myself through college without taking out a loan, own a house that is worth more than 200K, have 2 cars (one paid for) 3 kids, no debt besides the mortage and car loan, a bunch of toys and my wife is even a stay at home mom. It wasn't hard.
Here's how: I did a good work and progressed in my job. I bought a fixer-upper house and restored it myself. I kept good credit so I get the best rates on loans. I lived within my means and didn't overextend myself early, so I would have more later. I budget.
Why is this "impossible" for so many people? Did your mommies not teach you how to be an adult? Are you unable to plan more than a week ahead? Stop whining! It's always been challenging to get a life started no matter what generation a person finds themselves in. If chango can do it, you are a sure bet!!!! Get out there and get to work!!!!!
+1 Same situation almost to a "T" in my case.. glad to see someone else state it.
Unrealistic expectations cause a lot of this. Younger people don't want to get a "foot in the door" and do jobs that they believe to be "under them". People are moving to unsustainable areas, and then complaining that they can't a 500K beach house like the kids on The OC.
S/he's actually the kind of poster that I would welcome to this forum, because I doubt he would be the type to insult people based on limited knowledge.
+1 Same situation almost to a "T" in my case.. glad to see someone else state it.
Unrealistic expectations cause a lot of this. Younger people don't want to get a "foot in the door" and do jobs that they believe to be "under them". People are moving to unsustainable areas, and then complaining that they can't a 500K beach house like the kids on The OC.
Who do you know like that? Who do you think is responsible for their upbringing? Did they just come out of the womb expecting this? The problem here is that some parents do a crack job at raising their kids, and then when they come out expecting the world on a silver platter, people blame the kids and leave the parents unaccountable.
The problem here is that some parents do a crack job at raising their kids, and then when they come out expecting the world on a silver platter, people blame the kids and leave the parents unaccountable.
It's ALWAYS a 2 way street. Parents quite naturally instill ALL of their beliefs on their kids and the kids quite naturally accept ALL of them. Same thing with societal beliefs. Same thing with peer beliefs. But their comes a time to question EVERY one of those beliefs and discard the ones that are obviously a bunch of crap. Many people NEVER reach that point. They blindly accept ALL of the beliefs handed down by their parents, their peers, and society. If ones life is not working out according to ones desires, then you can bet your booties that their is a blindly accepted, dysfunctional belief ( probably unconscious ) that is generating the behaviour resulting in an undesirable life.
First off, I'm 33 years old, at the very tail-end of Gen X or the beginning of Y, depending on who's classification system you're using. I am getting sick of reading thread after thread of my generation and younger whining and complaining about how it is impossible for them to get ahead (or even going) in today's word.
Not everyone has the same opportunities as you. They are not whining, they are speaking the truth. Most people, believe it or not, actually want to work. It is a myth that everyone is lazy, especially the youth.
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They whine about how it's impossible to go to school without becoming a debt-slave, impossible to buy a house, impossible to raise a family, impossible to even get a job, ect, ect...
Um, because it is harder for some people? Everyone can't afford a house. Heck, people who had houses are losing them.
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WTF is wrong with you people? I worked my way up in my job field from 11 dollars an hour to 24 now, put myself through college without taking out a loan, own a house that is worth more than 200K, have 2 cars (one paid for) 3 kids, no debt besides the mortage and car loan, a bunch of toys and my wife is even a stay at home mom. It wasn't hard.
Yeah, I make minimum wage and have been trying to get a job that pays more since Sep of last year. Without loans, that pitiful pay wouldn't have even helped me be a part time student at my school. I guess I am being lazy though.
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Here's how: I did a good work and progressed in my job. I bought a fixer-upper house and restored it myself. I kept good credit so I get the best rates on loans. I lived within my means and didn't overextend myself early, so I would have more later. I budget.
Yes, because everyone else is a slacker at their jobs. They are never passed over for promotions if they work hard enough.
You restored an older house and want to compare it with houses on the current market?
You are the only one with good credit. You are the only one who hasn't overextended finances while young.
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Why is this "impossible" for so many people? Did your mommies not teach you how to be an adult? Are you unable to plan more than a week ahead? Stop whining! It's always been challenging to get a life started no matter what generation a person finds themselves in. If chango can do it, you are a sure bet!!!! Get out there and get to work!!!!!
While not impossible, it is difficult. I really don't understand how someone can blame an entire generation for having a difficult time when the whole economy is in the tank.
I can't figure out which 'Gen' I belong to, but I'm 35 years old, my only debt is my mortgage (and we actually have the cash to pay that off if we wanted to deplete our savings/investments), and I have definitely noticed a striking pattern that leads to a very predictable set of observations when it comes to the people in my age group (and even more so with those that are younger than I am).
You feel like you are 'bereft' and 'behind' because you want it all NOW. What it took previous generations decades to acquire. You bought into name brands and chose flash over substance. You got coddling and trophies for just showing up, and now you THINK you know what hard work is when you don't have a clue.
There are a thousand ways to succeed in this world without racking up giant debt and falling on your face, but they require a bit of personal sacrifice up front. A lot of people aren't really interested in that.
First off, I'm 33 years old, at the very tail-end of Gen X or the beginning of Y, depending on who's classification system you're using. I am getting sick of reading thread after thread of my generation and younger whining and complaining about how it is impossible for them to get ahead (or even going) in today's word.
They whine about how it's impossible to go to school without becoming a debt-slave, impossible to buy a house, impossible to raise a family, impossible to even get a job, ect, ect...
WTF is wrong with you people? I worked my way up in my job field from 11 dollars an hour to 24 now, put myself through college without taking out a loan, own a house that is worth more than 200K, have 2 cars (one paid for) 3 kids, no debt besides the mortage and car loan, a bunch of toys and my wife is even a stay at home mom. It wasn't hard.
Here's how: I did a good work and progressed in my job. I bought a fixer-upper house and restored it myself. I kept good credit so I get the best rates on loans. I lived within my means and didn't overextend myself early, so I would have more later. I budget.
Why is this "impossible" for so many people? Did your mommies not teach you how to be an adult? Are you unable to plan more than a week ahead? Stop whining! It's always been challenging to get a life started no matter what generation a person finds themselves in. If chango can do it, you are a sure bet!!!! Get out there and get to work!!!!!
I'm happy for your success, Chango. I can't speak for Gen Y, as I'm an older X-er, but I still think it's hard for most people, including my own generation. Personally, I wasn't college-educated and not very successful in my career when I had one, so although I owned a home, it wasn't in a great neighborhood, and it took lots of toil, budgeting and sacrificing to pay that mortgage off. It's like my whole life revolved around those payments at the time. I didn't want nor could afford to have any kids. Forget fancy toys and home improvements. I was only able to afford a car after my home loan was paid off. (yeah, I did things ass-backwards)
Many of my contemporaries had college loan debt into their 30s, but managed to have the mortgage, cars and families. But they had a very strong work ethic in college and on the job. And it took 2 incomes for them.
Many of those who were single had to live with roommates even if they had nice jobs.
For all generations these days, it's hard to get a job. Consider yourself lucky in that regard. And as for Gen Y, they came of age at a time of ever-rising housing costs, so I can see how home ownership could be impossible for them for a while to come.
Chango....A few generations ago, the behaviour and attitude you describe was the norm. Today, it is more of an abberration.
I'm a baby boomer myself, so I am not speaking as a member of gen-Y. However, I will offer my theory to your thread. I think it has to do with a high percentage of gen-Yers and their ability to see the man behind the curtain so to speak. They no longer believe in the wizards version of the american dream. They clearly see that the government is no longer a government of-by-for the people, but rather a government of-by-for special interests. They clearly see that the game is being played with a stacked deck, and it is not stacked in their favor. For the vast majority of them, no matter how hard they work, no matter how much education they obtain there are powerful counter forces ( special interests ) working against them. With insight like this, it is a real challange to cultivate the motivation to chase something as elusive as the american dream. Quite honestly, were I currently in my 20s, 30s, or 40s, instead of my early 60s, I would think long and hard about playing the game of working my butt off to get ahead. I would be more inclined to live simply and work as little as possible.
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It's always been challenging to get a life started no matter what generation a person finds themselves in. If chango can do it, you are a sure bet!!!! Get out there and get to work!!!!! 
