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Old 12-30-2020, 08:01 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Well, a good portion of Americans aren't very worldly and just haven't experienced the lifestyle/cultures of other countries. Of course, people are also often tied to proximity to family and friends and that can be a very strong draw, even if the quality of life is inferior. Finally, most developed countries would only accept people if they have a certain amount of wealth or a discernible skillset. For example, Australia and New Zealand require immigrants (who aren't relocating for a sponsored job) to have at least $3M in net worth. The bottom 75% of Americans simply wouldn't qualify.
Yet, millions upon millions of people immigrate to the United States decade after decade. The United States is by far the largest draw for immigrants of any country in the world.

Doesn't make sense, does it?
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Old 12-30-2020, 08:08 AM
 
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Yet, millions upon millions of people immigrate to the United States decade after decade. The United States is by far the largest draw for immigrants of any country in the world.

Doesn't make sense, does it?
There’s reality and then there’s narratives people choose to subscribe to.
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Old 12-30-2020, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Boston
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What goes up can come down. It's been seen before.

Sign Board from the great depression of the 1930's


good times, look at all those people waiting in line to buy a new car!
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Old 12-31-2020, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Yet, millions upon millions of people immigrate to the United States decade after decade. The United States is by far the largest draw for immigrants of any country in the world.

Doesn't make sense, does it?
Different immigration policies.

"In fact, the act granted 74 percent of all permanent visas to family reunification categories. Prior to 1965, visas were split equally between employment and family reunification categories."

https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...ration-policy/

It's a bit trickier in Canada

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...onsorship.html

Canada refuses and restrict more people than it let's in. Doesn't mean the demand isn't there. We simply can't open the borders and take in more people than the country can handle.

This speaks to the differences as well.

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article...us-immigration

IMO, it's also branding. The US brand is far reaching through movies, music etc. I've met people in other countries who have a false idea of what the US is really like. They think they will become millionaires a few months after arriving, after all, the poor people in a lot of these TV shows etc have nice sweaters

Canada is much less known in that regard.
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Old 12-31-2020, 11:57 PM
 
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Every few decades, we hear about this or that country that is supposed to “overtake” the United States. In the 1960s, it was the Soviet Union. In the 1980s, it was Japan. Now, it is China that is the latest flavor of the month.

All I can say is this too shall come to pass.
Funny how every time, there’s some US led event surrounded with propaganda that brings them down. A Cold War here, plaza accord there, and now we have human rights abuses, national security issues, being blasted all over the cia controlled airwaves.
Except China isn’t a pushover like the previous rising powers and is an actual peer competitor technologically and economically, and actually surpassing us on these fronts.
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Old 01-01-2021, 12:00 AM
 
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I’ve read this whole thread... honestly I’ve never visited another country but I’ve traveled to a lot of places within the US.

First off, OP seems VERY out of touch with reality. He sounds like a salesman of some sort, probably a loan officer. Either way I don’t like him.

Second off, we definitely are still living in the land of opportunity but after seeing how much of our freedoms have been taken away from this flu virus going around called Covid it really scares me how much power the federal and state governments have.

America’s best days are behind. We are past our golden era. Not saying it’s all doom and gloom in the future but look around at our country, almost half the people are just fat and probably more then half depend on pharmaceuticals. I can’t really compare “well being” factors with other countries, that being said I don’t think we should be that proud of ourselves if we are just looking in our own mirror.

Artificially low interest rates have created an even bigger bubble then in 08, the stock market is out of touch with reality, and there’s never been so much debt of all kinds before as of right now. Our dollar which use to be backed by gold is now just Monopoly money essentially, and it sure won’t be the world’s reserve currency forever!

Minus all the ugly concrete jungles aka cities and commercial strip malls everywhere, America has a ton of natural beauty, national parks and diversity all here within our borders. That, I’m thankful for. I’m also thankful for our military so other countries don’t mess with us.

All in all it’s a big world and once you get use to a certain way of life it’s hard to break that sense of familiarity even if there’s a better quality of life somewhere outside the US.

Everything is all relative of course, and instead of worrying about how other countries are doing we should focus on how much we need to improve and fix on ourselves, because there’s a lot.
Well said. Agreed on all points, except I have travelled extensively outside the US.
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Old 01-01-2021, 12:05 AM
 
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There has never been anywhere better to live as far as having access to so much with such a high degree of upward mobility....
Factually, social mobility in the US is remarkably low for a Western country.
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Old 01-01-2021, 12:05 AM
 
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Well, a good portion of Americans aren't very worldly and just haven't experienced the lifestyle/cultures of other countries. Of course, people are also often tied to proximity to family and friends and that can be a very strong draw, even if the quality of life is inferior. Finally, most developed countries would only accept people if they have a certain amount of wealth or a discernible skillset. For example, Australia and New Zealand require immigrants (who aren't relocating for a sponsored job) to have at least $3M in net worth. The bottom 75% of Americans simply wouldn't qualify.
Yeah, it wasn’t hard to figure out. Not sure why it was such a mystery to the OP when it’s quite obvious the poor are the least mobile, even within the country let alone trying to leave the borders.
The wealthy on the other hand have been renouncing Us citizenship at a brisk pace the last decade.
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Old 01-01-2021, 07:17 AM
 
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Yeah, it wasn’t hard to figure out. Not sure why it was such a mystery to the OP when it’s quite obvious the poor are the least mobile, even within the country let alone trying to leave the borders.
The wealthy on the other hand have been renouncing Us citizenship at a brisk pace the last decade.
Can't rep you again....
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Old 01-01-2021, 07:21 AM
 
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Yet, millions upon millions of people immigrate to the United States decade after decade. The United States is by far the largest draw for immigrants of any country in the world.

Doesn't make sense, does it?
The majority are Mexicans; it is a proximity issue. Yes, it makes sense. If Mexico bordered New Zealand, they would probably be flocking there.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...-s-immigrants/
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