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Old 05-20-2012, 02:04 PM
 
Location: west mich
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Not sure who "they" are? The govt?
I was referencing how you are missing what is really happening. Your govt owns "everything" (Go check out an AFR or CAFR). It takes taxes from you and it doesn't even get used "appropriately" imo. SO you appear to want to hand more "taxes" over to them w/o understanding what is really going on.
How is handing more taxes over going to help? They "lose" money, mislead, misappropriate, and spend what they don't have.
This isn't solely a D or an R issue. That is a fairy tale.
"They" is Wall Street, the investor class 1%, the Republican base. "They" want the 2.7 trillion social security asset to play with.
J.P. Morgan Chase (remember them?) and other bankers want to get their hands on that money and Romney will get it to them if he can.
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Old 05-20-2012, 02:51 PM
 
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"They" is Wall Street, the investor class 1%, the Republican base. "They" want the 2.7 trillion social security asset to play with.
J.P. Morgan Chase (remember them?) and other bankers want to get their hands on that money and Romney will get it to them if he can.
The D and R thing is a distraction. It is a phony narrative. The 1% is both D and R. Look here at rankings. See what is happening. Here is an example.
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicia...097&cycle=2012
The real money is in the expense accts, btw, not the salaries.
Personal Finances: Overview

Why do you think JPM got 391bil+?
who ownes JP morgan chase « REALITY BLOG
quote:
*Note: Total of outstanding shares of JP Morgan Chase: 3,950,000,000
*Note: Total of shares needed to have controlling interest (50.01%): 1,975,000,001
*Note: Total of outstanding shares owned by all government funds: ?,???,???,???

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Old 05-20-2012, 04:28 PM
 
Location: west mich
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The D and R thing is a distraction. It is a phony narrative. The 1% is both D and R. Look here at rankings. See what is happening. Here is an example.
Mark Warner: Campaign Finance/Money - Summary - Senator 2012 | OpenSecrets
The real money is in the expense accts, btw, not the salaries.
Personal Finances: Overview

Why do you think JPM got 391bil+?
who ownes JP morgan chase « REALITY BLOG
quote:
*Note: Total of outstanding shares of JP Morgan Chase: 3,950,000,000
*Note: Total of shares needed to have controlling interest (50.01%): 1,975,000,001
*Note: Total of outstanding shares owned by all government funds: ?,???,???,???
Who said anything about freakin' salaries and expense accts?
The Dems are not united like repubs are BUT they don't want to privatize SS and Medicare. Republicans DO want it badly for their 1% base!!
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Old 05-20-2012, 08:13 PM
 
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Who said anything about freakin' salaries and expense accts?
The Dems are not united like repubs are BUT they don't want to privatize SS and Medicare. Republicans DO want it badly for their 1% base!!
Salaries and expense accts are part of the wealth, the elite, ruling class. This so called "1%" to which you are referring. Both D's and R's.
Did you even notice 7 of the top 10 richest members of congress are Dems?
Whether SS or Medicare is ran by the corp gov or a so-called private corp the govt owns (publicly traded) doesn't matter. How it is ran does matter.
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Old 05-20-2012, 09:10 PM
 
Location: west mich
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Salaries and expense accts are part of the wealth, the elite, ruling class. This so called "1%" to which you are referring. Both D's and R's.
Did you even notice 7 of the top 10 richest members of congress are Dems?
Whether SS or Medicare is ran by the corp gov or a so-called private corp the govt owns (publicly traded) doesn't matter. How it is ran does matter.
What's more important is future jobs in exchange for favorable legislation now. Conflict of interest. Corporations writing their own regulations.
Our govt is increasingly staffed by millionaires. Progressives in the Democratic Party are trying to get money out of politics, campaign finance restructuring is meeting resistance.
Govt service is a stepping stone to highly-paid corporate jobs - just look kindly upon what lobbyists want now, legislate accordingly, and secure your future.
The repub party has no progressives in it - in fact they like things the way they are and want to accelerate it. This is Romney.

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Old 05-20-2012, 11:38 PM
 
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OK let's try again - the ISSUE at hand is TAX AVOIDANCE regardless of who does it or how it's done. AGAIN you act like there is no such thing as tax avoidance when history says otherwise.
Repubs want ZERO taxes on the wealthy - those who benefit most from using our infrastructure. Repubs say that they are the "job creators" and therefore the less they are taxed, the more jobs they create (the more trickle-down to the riffraff). So the lower classes should pay for everything. The lower classes are not "pulling their weight" - it's all over right-wing media. These are Romney's beliefs. ZERO taxes is what wealthy REPUBS want for themselves, and so we need to find out if a candidate for POTUS (or any other high-ranking position) is using UN-AMERICAN but possibly legal tax shelters. Your rightist media is all about being "good Americans" but some of us know how truly phony this Fox rhetoric is.

What is in the sam hill does any of this babbling have to do with the Romney's having some of their money invested in overseas accounts??? That is the topic of this thread...maybe you are lost?
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Old 05-20-2012, 11:42 PM
 
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"They" is Wall Street, the investor class 1%, the Republican base. "They" want the 2.7 trillion social security asset to play with.
J.P. Morgan Chase (remember them?) and other bankers want to get their hands on that money and Romney will get it to them if he can.

You are either not very old or not very knowledgeable about recent history. Clinton is who robbed social security and medicare to 'balance' the budget, which he never really did. He did it with the help of Newt Gingrich. Social Security has never recovered from his time in office as a matter of fact. Privatizing social security has nothing to do with the funds being misused. That has been going on for several years and it isn't privatized now.
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Old 05-21-2012, 06:25 AM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Romney already paid his fair share of taxes on this money when he earned it.

How much does the jealous side want this successful man to pay?

He already has paid 50% of his money out.

What more do you want?

Cayman Island finance manager already said that Romney never avoided any taxes in the US with his money, therefore this is another failed experiment attack by the looney bird left wing jealous club.
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Old 05-21-2012, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Cool hmm...

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All of it is in a blind trust. A blind trust is set up to avoid a conflict of interest....and for legal tax avoidance.
That's not what it shows here - http://cdn.front.moveon.org/wp-conte...money_full.jpg Doesn't look like all of them are blind trusts...
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Old 05-21-2012, 07:40 AM
 
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That's not what it shows here - http://cdn.front.moveon.org/wp-conte...money_full.jpg Doesn't look like all of them are blind trusts...
nothing on that "picture" indicates they arent.
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