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Old 09-28-2012, 01:10 PM
 
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I see that you don't know about Harry Reid refusing to even debate, let alone vote on, any bills from the House that have to do with jobs or budget. I guess you don't consider his actions to be a form of filibuster or you don't know about them. Which is it?
You are going to defend 4 years of the entire GOP's inaction in Americas time of need on one mans refusal to debate on one piece of legislation?
Lets put it back into context
Harry Reid Won't 'Waste the Senate's Time' on 'Worst Legislation' in U.S. History - YouTube

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Old 09-28-2012, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Here and There
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It's actually 51% who pay no federal income tax:http://finance.senate.gov/newsroom/r...1-ffc00b5c00ef

Only 49% PAY federal income tax. 51% pay NO federal income tax whatsoever.
Wouldn't Romney actually be in that group seeing he doesn't technically have income, just his capital gains/taxes? Just want some clarification.
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Old 09-28-2012, 01:16 PM
 
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Wouldn't Romney actually be in that group seeing he doesn't technically have income, just his capital gains/taxes? Just want some clarification.

Why would a man who paid $5 million dollars in federal income taxes be in a group with people who paid no income taxes?
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Old 09-28-2012, 01:50 PM
 
Location: west mich
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I don't remember the words pay fair share previous to Obama using them so often. Are you finally the lib who will tell me what the fair share is? I have nearly begged libs to tell me what that fair share crap is.
Again you assign the "burden-of-proof" to others without stating your own. First of all there is not a fine line between fairness/unfairness, so you "unfairly" demand a figure from the opposition knowing that it is impossible to give.
Your boy Limbaugh, for one, has for 35 years been complaining about the unfairness of tax burdens on his class. Liberals did not initiate the issue in the media - the complaints about over-taxation and class-unfairness have initially come from the Right.
Instead of demanding a "fair share" exact figure from moderates and liberals, why not first put forth a figure of your own. I would be interested in the right-wing presumption of "fair taxation" for the wealthy (I'm thinking zero).
Again - you first state what is fair then people can quibble about that figure.
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Old 09-28-2012, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Default Was Romney's 47% comment so really bad?

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Yep!

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Old 09-28-2012, 04:21 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Apparently, legally, their "fair share" is $0 (in federal income tax only).
Not possible. The rich follow the tax laws and liberals scream on a daily basis that they don't pay their fair share.
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Old 09-28-2012, 04:28 PM
 
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A "fair share" of one's income is what we're talking about here.
Define "fair share of one's income."

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The tax code is progressive for a reason - to incentivize people to work.
...Until it doesn't. Then the 49% who actually pay any federal income tax "go Galt."

To wit:


TigerHawk TV: Who are these "rich" people? - YouTube

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Flat tax would do nothing to solve our problems. It would just further suck the treasury dry.
Nope. It would require the federal government to borrow less.

Flat tax from dollar one. Everyone pays their fair share. If you don't like that, national sales tax from dollar one, no exclusions or kickbacks. Everyone pays their fair share, even those who earn their income off the books and via illicit means.

Quit sucking the country dry.
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Old 09-28-2012, 04:31 PM
 
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Wouldn't Romney actually be in that group seeing he doesn't technically have income, just his capital gains/taxes? Just want some clarification.
Romney is in the 49% who actually PAY federal income tax. Capital gains income is reported on the 1040 Income Tax Return Form and taxed accordingly. Romney paid $1.9 million in federal income tax in 2011.
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Old 09-28-2012, 05:53 PM
 
Location: west mich
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Not possible. The rich follow the tax laws and liberals scream on a daily basis that they don't pay their fair share.
Do you know the difference between morality and legality? "Legal" and "fair"?
Have you heard anyone say that tax shelters and dodges are illegal?
They are not - they are perks lobbied for by the rich, under the radar, over decades. Morally speaking, why should any rich person get away with paying zero taxes, while dumping the cost of government on the lower classes? If they have been successful in tweaking tax codes to suit themselves (with the cooperation of obliging congressmen), then that needs to change - for Romney or anyone else.
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Old 09-28-2012, 06:02 PM
 
Location: west mich
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Romney is in the 49% who actually PAY federal income tax. Capital gains income is reported on the 1040 Income Tax Return Form and taxed accordingly. Romney paid $1.9 million in federal income tax in 2011.
Spin, spin, spin. He paid $1.9 million because he can afford it. Did you know that the 47% of "slackers" he talks about includes some in his economic class? Got a problem with that?
And here is what your boys are aiming for.
Mitt Romney Would Pay 0.82 Percent in Taxes Under Paul Ryan's Plan - Matthew O'Brien - The Atlantic
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