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Old 10-09-2012, 07:11 AM
 
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I think hawkish people are held to a higher standard than non-hawkish people.


It's why the legions of overweight, never fought in a real war, doughy middle aged men that make up the vast majority of neoconservative politicians and Bush war apologist civilians are such jokes. "101st keyboard commandos."


Romney is amping up rhetoric that seems to suggest he wants to "get tough" and start wars or involve the US military in MORE middle eastern skirmishes. That's troubling, and it DOES beg the question of why the most trash talking tough guy Republicans always seem to have little to no personal connection to war and SACRIFICE in this country. Rich men always find reasons to send everyone else's kids into battle. Over the past ten years, rich men like Romney managed to convince the average yokel that not only should their children go to war, but that there should be no sacrifice to PAY FOR the wars from the top % that always benefits the MOST from war!

 
Old 10-09-2012, 08:04 AM
 
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Romney is amping up rhetoric that seems to suggest he wants to "get tough" and start wars or involve the US military in MORE middle eastern skirmishes. That's troubling, and it DOES beg the question of why the most trash talking tough guy Republicans always seem to have little to no personal connection to war and SACRIFICE in this country. Rich men always find reasons to send everyone else's kids into battle. Over the past ten years, rich men like Romney managed to convince the average yokel that not only should their children go to war, but that there should be no sacrifice to PAY FOR the wars from the top % that always benefits the MOST from war!
And this is exactly why I was inferring willard's sons have not volunteered for military service.

Romney is talking smack about sending weaponry to Syrian rebels to fight the Syria Government's helicoptors, tanks and other heavy weapons.

To do this, someone would need to send anti-aircraft guns, heavy artillery, and possibly even tanks.
Who is going to train, support and maintain this equipment we send.

Why is willard so committed to sending armament and risk American lives to do so, when he himself doesn't have a child he would want to risk being sent to a war zone?

American intervention would probably only worsen a bad situation. Why is he rattling the sabre?

A Romney quote
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In 2007, Romney — a supporter of the war in Vietnam during the late-1960s — he said wished he had served:
I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there, and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam.”

Then a Romney flip-flop quote
Quote:
It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam, but nor did I take any actions to remove myself from the pool of young men who were eligible for the draft,” Romney told the newspaper.
But in seeking 4 deferments, Romney did in fact take actions to remove himself from the draft.

If Romney is, or was so adamate about the vietnam war, about wishing he could represent his country over there, why did he change his mind? Was it the nightly news and photos of our service members killed and blown up in battles, the blood and gore of war that turned his stomach?

Is that why he is so willing to send Americans over there, because he is antiseptically removed from the gory photos? It must be ok with him so long as somebody else does the dirty work? Maybe he coached his children to avoid the military at all cost.
 
Old 10-09-2012, 09:19 AM
 
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I served and my husband continues to serve. My husband has spent no small amount of time in varous deserts over the last few years. Both of our fathers served in wars, as did three of our four grandfathers. We can both even trace multiple great-grandfathers who spent time on battlefields. We now have an all volunteer force, there is no requirement for any of Romney's kids to serve and neither of us have no issue with that - none. Yes, voluntarily serving in the military says something about the character of a person, but since neither candidate has, it is a moot point.

I don't think military service says anything positive or negative about a person's "character."

Not every war or excursion the United States will or has embarked on is just or good. Military service where our homeland is not threatened (which would be every war since WW2) is not righteous per se. There is a lot of good experience that can come from serving in the military, but people who serve are not "better" than people who do not serve.


However, I think it DOES come into play when faced with someone who thinks American lives and resources should be used to advance a foreign policy agenda. Romney does not have that extra "something to think about" .... that extra experience (either personal or even familial) to make him consider the real world implications of his hawkish saber rattling.


Young men have been sent to die by old men in useless wars for centuries. It will only end when the shot callers have some real skin in the game.
 
Old 10-09-2012, 09:36 AM
 
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Red herring.
 
Old 10-09-2012, 09:49 AM
 
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Yes.
Did obama serve?
Did JFK jr serve?
Did Ted Kennedy's kids serve?
Will Obama's daughters serve?
I am a vet and feel it is a personal choice and I respect those who do serve. Those who don't miss out on an experience that is invaluable. That said The law doesnt require it so we shouldnt hold it against a man's children. My son didnt want to serve and I support his choice. I am disappoined because I think he would have made a fine sailor.
 
Old 10-09-2012, 09:59 AM
 
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Mitt's been asked about his sons not serving. He replied that they were serving their country by working to get him elected President.

Goodness gracious. I say we pat them on the back and send them packages of cookies and sun block and eye wash and 1" paint brushes to clean the dust out of their weapons.

Wait a minute. They aren't in Afghanistan?

Well, I'm sure they're still working very hard and wait their place in line at the buffet at the Hilton every morning.
 
Old 10-09-2012, 10:01 AM
 
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Did obama serve?
Did JFK jr serve?
Did Ted Kennedy's kids serve?
Will Obama's daughters serve?
I am a vet and feel it is a personal choice and I respect those who do serve. Those who don't miss out on an experience that is invaluable. That said The law doesnt require it so we shouldnt hold it against a man's children. My son didnt want to serve and I support his choice. I am disappoined because I think he would have made a fine sailor.
If you've read the thread, then you must have read this post also.



https://www.city-data.com/forum/26439020-post64.html

You know none of the people mentioned above served.
Will Obama's children serve? I don't know.

I think that anyone who is doing the sabre rattling should probably have some skin in the game.
Does anyone on the forum think that Romney would be saying what he is if one or more of his sons were deployed in the ME?
I seriously doubt it, IMO.
 
Old 10-09-2012, 10:04 AM
 
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Almost all of Romney's children are of age to serve or volunteer for the armed services, yet, none of them have enlisted.
Why do you think this is?
Romney seems all to willing to send others off to fight wars, why wouldn't he encourage his kids to go fight?
After all, even offspring of prominent officials in the UK have their offspring involved in ME wars.

Did Romney's Sons Serve In Iraq or Afghanistan? Will They In Iran? - CNN iReport
Maybe they didn't want to join the military. About 95% of people eligible for military service never join.

And how do you know that Mitt didn't encourage his kids to join???????

Clinton sent us into Bosnia, Kosovo, Sudan, Macedonia, Somalia an and a couple dozen other countries. Why didn't he encourage Chelsea to join?

Why do you think this is?
Clinton was all to willing to send others off to fight wars, why wouldn't he encourage his kid to go fight?

After all, even offspring of prominent officials in the UK have their offspring involved in ME wars.
 
Old 10-09-2012, 10:05 AM
 
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Romney seems all to willing to send others off to fight wars, why wouldn't he encourage his kids to go fight?
Did I miss something?

When did Romney say he'd send our military into another nation?

Of course, Obama already has...but I guess that doesn't count.
 
Old 10-09-2012, 10:06 AM
 
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Like father, like sons. Romney did all he can to avoid the draft during the Vietnam war, and his example was embrazed by his kids.
Unless Obama's girls are going to be enlisting, this thread is nothing but a typical, hypocritical attack from partisan hacks.
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