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Old 02-28-2016, 06:44 PM
 
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Our vote? Do you always refer to yourself in the multiple?
Yeah. Our vote.
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Old 02-28-2016, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Yeah. Our vote.
Well, OK. I don't care how all of yourselves vote. See you on another thread.
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Old 02-28-2016, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Somewhere
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hmm, I wonder how you earned that reputation? Someone pull it out of thin air? I don't think all do but when we have people with entitlement attitudes (black or white) we need to stop defending it and call them on it and cut the nanny string.
Me? LOL I'm not black but thanks for your bigoted post.

Hope next time you can explain us why you think blacks earned that reputation when not even 50% of blacks use entitlements...
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Old 02-28-2016, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Hyrule
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Excuse me? Like what, besides the anti-establishment thing?

Mick
Sen. Sanders: 'Disastrous trade agreements' hurt the middle class | MSNBC
For one there is trade, and that is a big one for me.

Trump: I Will Appeal To Sanders Voters On Trade, | Video | RealClearPolitics
He's right when he says a lot of democrats will cross over. The one thing that I do like about him more than Sanders is not coupling amnesty with our bad job market. That is also bad for a large portion of our work force. I guess Americans are going to have to choose who they have compassion for this time around. There are a lot of Americans suffering just as much as illegals. Kids that can't eat, don't have good schools, parents that can't find a job but yet the poor illegals deserve the opportunities. We can't take care of others until we figure out how to take care of ourselves.

Trump is about creating more jobs, and he is not going to bow down to bad deals for our country, not fighting wars we shouldn't be fighting that hold no benefit for our working class or so he says, we will see if he makes it. So says Sanders, they agree on wars we should not have fought. They differ on a few ways to get there but all in all they are both willing to take us someplace we haven't been which to me is worth the risk. We've been sliding down hill for years.

Trump will remove the healthcare mandates except keep the pre existing order, and then open up competition. I'm good with that, Obamacare is so expensive and has such high deducts that I pay cash price for the majority of it anyway. It's just a glorified expensive emergency insurance for anyone making over 45 thous a year.

Sanders wants to do what Obama said he'd do. NHS style non profit. I'm good with that as well. Hilary ran last time on mandates, she's already got her wish fulfilled. More of the same with her would be a nightmare.
The rest of the repubs are way too religious for me to get a hold of. They also lack balls, something I think both Sanders and Trump own, and prove they own all the time. Sanders flat out sells his socialism and Trump hasn't backed down to the huge smear campaign he's up against. Good for both of them.

Basically it's up to the voters this time. If either party tries to botch the election I doubt this country will stand for it again. The majority should win. If it's someone I don't like so be it. But, things are changing that is for sure.

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Old 02-28-2016, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Hyrule
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Really?

Bernie believes in deporting all illegal immigrants; withdrawing healthcare from the poor; accepting endorsements from the KKK and David Duke, banning all Muslims; and gutting of the first amendment?

I did not know.

They have not one thing in common so that statement makes no sense to me.
Maybe you should read more and talk less.

If you go to both of their personal websites and read their policies and ideas for the future you'll see reality.
If you keep listening to CNN you'll continue to believe the hype. Keep in mind CNN will do anything to keep viewers including fueling and fanning any flames they can possibly conjure during this election period. Go to the source if you want a real picture.

But, if you are just enjoying the bs then by all means.......
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Old 02-28-2016, 10:55 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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Its long established that the voters support social democratic/New Deal policies. The main problem is that the economic royalists dont support it, and they control the narrative and the money flooding to the candidates.

Clinton claims the GOP candidates are influenced by the money they receive from their wealthy donors. Do you agree or disagree?
You mean Clinton didn't?
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Old 02-29-2016, 03:53 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Under Clinton and Obama, the lot of African-Americans continues to deteriorate whether it be wages, law enforcement, job opportunities, living standards, education opportunities, housing, racism etc. The same African-American leadership that brought us Clarence Thomas and other lackies for the Establishment are now rallying around the Queen of the Prom who is apparently not satisfied with the $153 million in bribes that she has already received from the Establishment.

So why do African-Americans still support a candidate who will clearly continue to work for Wall Street (the Clintons and Obama gave them $trillions), Big Pharma (Obamacare was a $trillion gift), and most of all herself? Baffles me.
The African-American leadership has the same goal as the white Democrat leaders. Keep telling people they are victims and need these "leaders" to provide for, save and protect them so the leaders keep their power and also make a buck off of them. If the African American community didn't support them, their power and money fly out the window so the "leaders" have to keep the people dependent on them.
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Old 02-29-2016, 04:13 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Sen. Sanders: 'Disastrous trade agreements' hurt the middle class | MSNBC
For one there is trade, and that is a big one for me.

Trump: I Will Appeal To Sanders Voters On Trade, | Video | RealClearPolitics
He's right when he says a lot of democrats will cross over. The one thing that I do like about him more than Sanders is not coupling amnesty with our bad job market. That is also bad for a large portion of our work force. I guess Americans are going to have to choose who they have compassion for this time around. There are a lot of Americans suffering just as much as illegals. Kids that can't eat, don't have good schools, parents that can't find a job but yet the poor illegals deserve the opportunities. We can't take care of others until we figure out how to take care of ourselves.

Trump is about creating more jobs, and he is not going to bow down to bad deals for our country, not fighting wars we shouldn't be fighting that hold no benefit for our working class or so he says, we will see if he makes it. So says Sanders, they agree on wars we should not have fought. They differ on a few ways to get there but all in all they are both willing to take us someplace we haven't been which to me is worth the risk. We've been sliding down hill for years.

Trump will remove the healthcare mandates except keep the pre existing order, and then open up competition. I'm good with that, Obamacare is so expensive and has such high deducts that I pay cash price for the majority of it anyway. It's just a glorified expensive emergency insurance for anyone making over 45 thous a year.

Sanders wants to do what Obama said he'd do. NHS style non profit. I'm good with that as well. Hilary ran last time on mandates, she's already got her wish fulfilled. More of the same with her would be a nightmare.
The rest of the repubs are way too religious for me to get a hold of. They also lack balls, something I think both Sanders and Trump own, and prove they own all the time. Sanders flat out sells his socialism and Trump hasn't backed down to the huge smear campaign he's up against. Good for both of them.

Basically it's up to the voters this time. If either party tries to botch the election I doubt this country will stand for it again. The majority should win. If it's someone I don't like so be it. But, things are changing that is for sure.
Ok, you say Trump is for creating jobs. So, how will Trump create jobs?
You also said, "Trump will remove the healthcare mandates except keep the pre existing order, and then open up competition." If true, that means that Trump does not understand that the two are linked. If Trump gets rid of the mandate but keeps the pre-existing condition requirement, people will only buy healthcare when they get sick. The young will not buy healthcare. That would mean the pool will be mostly the sick and prices will skyrocket, instead of fall -- and that will make more people not buy insurance (e.g. the death spiral.) We also already have competition. It's called the healthcare exchange. That's the problem with people who look at the world in simplistic terms, they miss the details that matter.
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Old 02-29-2016, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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The African-American leadership has the same goal as the white Democrat leaders. Keep telling people they are victims and need these "leaders" to provide for, save and protect them so the leaders keep their power and also make a buck off of them. If the African American community didn't support them, their power and money fly out the window so the "leaders" have to keep the people dependent on them.
That's pretty much what I see while watching TV interviews.

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Old 02-29-2016, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Ok, you say Trump is for creating jobs. So, how will Trump create jobs?
You also said, "Trump will remove the healthcare mandates except keep the pre existing order, and then open up competition." If true, that means that Trump does not understand that the two are linked. If Trump gets rid of the mandate but keeps the pre-existing condition requirement, people will only buy healthcare when they get sick. The young will not buy healthcare. That would mean the pool will be mostly the sick and prices will skyrocket, instead of fall -- and that will make more people not buy insurance (e.g. the death spiral.) We also already have competition. It's called the healthcare exchange. That's the problem with people who look at the world in simplistic terms, they miss the details that matter.
What's this whole thing about forcing people to buy from private enterprises? Sounds to me like Obama and his Democratic cronies just gave Big Pharma the biggest gift of all. No where among developed countries is medical care soaking up so much of GDP, is as expensive on a per capita basis and is delivering such miserable results. The U.S. is absolutely dead last in life expectancy among developed nations (equivalent to Cuba) while spending almost 50% more. Obamacare is nothing more than a humongous gift to the medical industry and the lemmings in the Democratic Party celebrate it while celebrating their superior understanding of economics. Just lemmings of a totally currupt party.

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