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Old 04-04-2016, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I wonder why he would say that?

Maybe because he wants him to lose?

I'm sure he's more worried about Sanders than any of them.
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Old 04-04-2016, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I wonder if all these people who are jumping on the Sanders bandwagon are just so angry/lazy/uneducated that they feel the need to lash out at a country that works well for anyone who wants to put forth effort?


True Story

When I was young, out of college, in a recession, making minimum wage with an art degree, one of the few employed, in a bad marriage, in a dysfunctional family etc I was told by my boss to drop off some printings at a printshop in a local hospital.
As I was parking,in the back by the loading area, a Convertable pulled up, an older guy with a lady dressed in a glittery dress got out and someone standing outside the hospital (an employee) took a picture and escorted them inside.

My response was anger. Like "Who the hell is this guy, riding around in a convertable and having a hot woman, getting his picture made while I am struggling to get by. How dare him!"
I could have easily turned to communism (which still existed in Europe and THE USSR) and advocated to stop such excess.

But I there, that day, made a different decision.

I decided that I wanted to rise up to his level.

I decided to make changes in my life.

I realized that a big reason I had failed was because I had often listened to others, allowed others, especially a dyscfunctional father, to make decisions for me.

I realized that my life was not going the way I wanted it to go and in order to achieve goals I wanted, I had to make changes.
SO I quit. I resigned.
I went back to college, went into medicine, got another degree (on grants and my own pocket) I divorced the evil (ex)wife, and her family. I left, went away.

I ended up long ago with the hot wife, the convertible, the attention. I still have the wife, but I sold the convertible and keep a low profile in public. But My point is, I wanted something so I went out and worked for it. no one gave it to me.
In fact, I probably had NO ONEs permission to do anything. I do not need it.
I need no ones permission, blessing or approval... I just do the things I choose, to achieve the goals I set.

So what of Sanders and his angry followers, the ones who want to pull the plug on a system that works? First, I don't see him being very effective if he is elected. I don't see Congress going along with 70% taxes and allowing taxes to stop all investing. If that happens, economic depression will ensue. kind of like day to day life in North Korea.
I also don;t see his socialistic (communistic) ways of redistributing the wealth working within the limits of the constitution. But Bernie is a socialist, not a constitutionalist, and he is not a real American. He is angry and he wants to take down America in doing so. His followers, the ones who are still angry and crying that I have a high paying job and a hot wife, are still crying that "it is not fair" instead of rolling up their sleeves and getting to work. They live with excuses, tears and anger.

is that what kind of president we really want or need?

Is our country so angry and divided now that we could see someone elected who would like to undo the framework that our founding fathers sacrificed for some 240 years ago when they established our great nation?
Seriously, so things are not working like a well tuned machine, that does not mean throw out the whole thing and live like they do in Cuba. It means fix the broken parts, and educate and empower people w to improve their lives and situation, not to tear down those who have worked hard to succeed.

Do Not Elect Sanders, unless you want to lower everyone to the lowest factor.
Sanders will not undermine the framework, there is no set blueprint exactly for governing our country.

There is a loose framework of 3 branches of government and laws designed to protect our rights
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Old 04-04-2016, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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I wonder why he would say that?

Maybe because he wants him to lose?

I'm sure he's more worried about Sanders than any of them.
The OP is unfortunately talking out of his a-$$.

Wasted bandwidth.
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Old 04-04-2016, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Texas
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You grew up during Sanders type policies in the 50s or 60s or early 70s and that was great? Is that what you are saying? I hear many people who want to "get back to the good days with a prospering middle class in social democratic America in the 60s. Well, Sanders is laying this vision on the table. He isnt funded by any special interests. He is beholden to the people only, and will serve the people.
Exactly, a lot of people aren't paying attention to the past, just getting manipulated by rhetoric
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Old 04-04-2016, 11:44 AM
 
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Exactly, a lot of people aren't paying attention to the past, just getting manipulated by rhetoric
Sort of like how we didn't revolt as a country when we were lead into war with Iraq?
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Old 04-04-2016, 11:56 AM
 
Location: On the Edge of the Fringe
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Exactly, a lot of people aren't paying attention to the past, just getting manipulated by rhetoric
No actually all I am saying is that I worked to get to where I am now

Which is not what I hear those on the Sanders bandwagon saying.
Some of those people want handouts and free everything.
Sorry you are not able to understand that.
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Old 04-04-2016, 12:04 PM
 
Location: On the Edge of the Fringe
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Some of the younger ones are angry about living 'paycheck to paycheck' and are anxious to tax the 1%. I'm not sure how that is going to help but I've had a few online conversations with a few. Yes, they were young. No, they did not have high paying jobs. They think Sanders is just going to fix everything for them and I am afraid they will be deeply disappointed.
I think that they would be very disappointed as well.
There is no easy fix. My only motivation years ago was to better myself. Not to give in to anger towards those who achieved, but to join them. I am that way today.

I do not take handouts. I have handed out many, of my own accord. I am fortunate to be in the position now to do that.

My current charity is education. I volunteer at the nearby school, and help with after school projects in the arts and career counseling. I donot encourage kiuds to bve angry or to seek handouts but to work guard bve positive and seek opportunities to achieve goals

I think under Sanders, handouts wiull increase, entitlement will rise, and personal motivation will suffer.
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Old 04-04-2016, 12:05 PM
 
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No actually all I am saying is that I worked to get to where I am now

Which is not what I hear those on the Sanders bandwagon saying.
Some of those people want handouts and free everything.
Sorry you are not able to understand that.
It's just the opposite. Sanders proposes how he will pay for his programs. Where are the proposals by the rest on how we will pay for their trillions for their wars?

Wall Street did not work for the trillions the Fed pumped into it to re-inflated their bubble.
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Old 04-04-2016, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Texas
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No actually all I am saying is that I worked to get to where I am now

Which is not what I hear those on the Sanders bandwagon saying.
Some of those people want handouts and free everything.
Sorry you are not able to understand that.
I don't think you understand/know enough Bernie supporters to make that claim.

Your opinion, your prerogative

But there are plenty of decent, hard-working people out there supporting him
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Old 04-04-2016, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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No actually all I am saying is that I worked to get to where I am now

Which is not what I hear those on the Sanders bandwagon saying.
Some of those people want handouts and free everything.
Sorry you are not able to understand that.
Not true.

actually, one of the biggest complain about Sanders is that many of his supporters are young, wealthy and college-educated voters — many of them getting involved in politics for the first time in their lives.

You can argue that many of his supporters are idealists, but I don't agree many of them just want free stuff.
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