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I wonder if all these people who are jumping on the Sanders bandwagon are just so angry/lazy/uneducated that they feel the need to lash out at a country that works well for anyone who wants to put forth effort?
True Story
When I was young, out of college, in a recession, making minimum wage with an art degree, one of the few employed, in a bad marriage, in a dysfunctional family etc I was told by my boss to drop off some printings at a printshop in a local hospital.
As I was parking,in the back by the loading area, a Convertable pulled up, an older guy with a lady dressed in a glittery dress got out and someone standing outside the hospital (an employee) took a picture and escorted them inside.
My response was anger. Like "Who the hell is this guy, riding around in a convertable and having a hot woman, getting his picture made while I am struggling to get by. How dare him!"
I could have easily turned to communism (which still existed in Europe and THE USSR) and advocated to stop such excess.
But I there, that day, made a different decision.
I decided that I wanted to rise up to his level.
I decided to make changes in my life.
I realized that a big reason I had failed was because I had often listened to others, allowed others, especially a dyscfunctional father, to make decisions for me.
I realized that my life was not going the way I wanted it to go and in order to achieve goals I wanted, I had to make changes.
SO I quit. I resigned.
I went back to college, went into medicine, got another degree (on grants and my own pocket) I divorced the evil (ex)wife, and her family. I left, went away.
I ended up long ago with the hot wife, the convertible, the attention. I still have the wife, but I sold the convertible and keep a low profile in public. But My point is, I wanted something so I went out and worked for it. no one gave it to me.
In fact, I probably had NO ONEs permission to do anything. I do not need it.
I need no ones permission, blessing or approval... I just do the things I choose, to achieve the goals I set.
So what of Sanders and his angry followers, the ones who want to pull the plug on a system that works? First, I don't see him being very effective if he is elected. I don't see Congress going along with 70% taxes and allowing taxes to stop all investing. If that happens, economic depression will ensue. kind of like day to day life in North Korea.
I also don;t see his socialistic (communistic) ways of redistributing the wealth working within the limits of the constitution. But Bernie is a socialist, not a constitutionalist, and he is not a real American. He is angry and he wants to take down America in doing so. His followers, the ones who are still angry and crying that I have a high paying job and a hot wife, are still crying that "it is not fair" instead of rolling up their sleeves and getting to work. They live with excuses, tears and anger.
is that what kind of president we really want or need?
Is our country so angry and divided now that we could see someone elected who would like to undo the framework that our founding fathers sacrificed for some 240 years ago when they established our great nation?
Seriously, so things are not working like a well tuned machine, that does not mean throw out the whole thing and live like they do in Cuba. It means fix the broken parts, and educate and empower people w to improve their lives and situation, not to tear down those who have worked hard to succeed.
Do Not Elect Sanders, unless you want to lower everyone to the lowest factor.
So you're saying your life was influenced by shiny cars and flashy women, and you'd do anything to obtain and keep that lifestyle? And you think it's good for everyone to share that objective?
Did your taxes rise when Obama did his piddling partial repeal of the bush tax cuts? No? Then it is in fact possible to raise taxes on the highest earners without raising taxes on the middle class.
You speak as if it goes against the laws of physics.
"Limiting" how? "Those who have failed to achieve" what?
Newsflash ringo -- we're not all gonna be rich. ...So society needs to function for the working stiff as well as the "achiever"... If you're a middle aged dude who's been laid off because of automation or job exporting, you haven't "failed to achieve"... you've been downsized while rich guys are enjoying their high profits, high worker productivity, hookers and tax cuts.
Mr. "underachiever" still deserves to have health care because he's human and a "fellow american"... And his kids should be able to get a college education, because living wages aren't out there for folks without one.
You're worried about scapegoating the 1%? lol Well the 1% are doing fine, while most americans are worried for the future.
The 1% helped wreck the economy, got bailed out, got bonuses and served no prison terms. That's not "scapegoating", that's the truth. The citizen's united decision gives them way too much power over the political system -- something Bernie's public funding of elections could rein in. Those are concrete points. No "scapegoating" there.
Unless you're a wall street "master of the universe" ( remember that?), you have nothing to fear in Bernie.
Hillary on the other hand, makes people real nervous. She's opaque, and an unknown quantity (which is saying a lot considering how long she's been on the political stage). She only came out against TPP on the stump after Bernie railed against it. And (as far as I know -- correct me if I'm wrong) she only came out against Citizens United (half-assedly) on the stump chasing after Bernie's points...
Hillary has been running for president forever, and her agenda and favors owed and political approach were probably formed long before 2008. So what have we seen?: she was for the Iraq war, and for bombing Libya, and talking "superpredator" stuff way back when...
Has she now changed her stripes? How do we keep up?
She's at best a craven, pandering politician and at worst a neocon.
...But worst of all, she's uninspiring... and as such, she's vulnerable to Trump, whose base is foaming at the mouth & energized.
In this situation, I think progressives should go for the candidate they really want, instead of playing it "safe" with hillary.
Bernie says "Wall street isn't going to like me". < -- That is a leader who can energize a base. We need someone who's as pissed off as the rest of us, and ready to throw down for what we know is right.
There are even people out there saying they would vote for trump or bernie -- but not hillary. What do you think those folks feel about Bernie's "wall street isn't going to like me" comment? They likely love it.
This is a grand opportunity, and we're about to waste it on Hillary (in the primaries yet ).
At least save your hillary vote for the general!
Yes, yes, I know you want to take from the 1%. But Bernie will ALSO take from the middle class and he has admitted it.
I pay ENOUGH taxes as it is.
I like Wall Street more than I like Bernie. Wall Street's been good to me so far.
Middle class will pay around 2-4% more on tax. If you are making $50,000/year, you would be paying $1,000 more a year. But he also promises free insurance for all, so some will benefit from that as well.
I do not know how he would fund all these feel good programs. If there is no Iraq war, I wouldn't mind free college for all program although this does not benefit me personally, but since we are already in debt, I seriously question bernie's economic plan.
Yes, he is. He is an FDR democrat, with a strong social safety net and a free enterprise system, vehemently opposed to crony capitalism.
First of all, FDR was the very definition of an establishment politician.
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And the question Sanders supporters should ask is, When has their theory of change ever worked? Even F.D.R., who rode the depths of the Great Depression to a huge majority, had to be politically pragmatic, working not just with special interest groups but also with Southern racists.
Remember, too, that the institutions F.D.R. created were add-ons, not replacements: Social Security didn’t replace private pensions, unlike the Sanders proposal to replace private health insurance with single-payer. Oh, and Social Security originally covered only half the work force, and as a result largely excluded African-Americans.
Everyone has to compromise. What a caricature some Hillary supporters are painting of their opponent, like just because you lay your vision on the table that you will fight for, there will be no compromise on anything.
FDR was NOT a corrupt puppet politician. He took on all the most powerful special interests once in office. But, yes we all know you would have supported Al Smith, the "the pragmatic" puppet, and not FDR in the 1932 primaries:
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Smith became highly critical of Roosevelt's New Deal policies and joined the American Liberty League, an anti-Roosevelt group. Smith believed the New Deal was a betrayal of good-government progressive ideals and ran counter to the goal of close cooperation with business. The Liberty League was an organization that tried to rally public opinion against Roosevelt's New Deal. Conservative Democrats who disapproved of Roosevelt's New Deal measures founded the group. In 1934, Smith joined forces with wealthy business executives, who provided most of the league's funds. The league published pamphlets and sponsored radio programs, arguing that the New Deal was destroying personal liberty.
Yes, yes, I know you want to take from the 1%. But Bernie will ALSO take from the middle class and he has admitted it.
I pay ENOUGH taxes as it is.
Yes, some people are fine with getting ripped off by private insurance companies and going bankrupt because of cancer, but not all. There is a reason why every single developed country in the world has a universal health care system where going bankrupt because of cancer would be a huge national scandal. Most people understand that a tax payer funded health care system where people pay ACCORDING TO THEIR MEANS, are far more beneficial for the 99% than a system based on user fees so the billionaire pays the same dollar amount as the elderly widow who are struggling to get by.
Middle class will pay around 2-4% more on tax. If you are making $50,000/year, you would be paying $1,000 more a year. But he also promises free insurance for all, so some will benefit from that as well.
I do not know how he would fund all these feel good programs. If there is no Iraq war, I wouldn't mind free college for all program although this does not benefit me personally, but since we are already in debt, I seriously question bernie's economic plan.
No one is perfect.
Sweet I am cool with that I pay about $1200 for health insurance so not a big change.
Sweet I am cool with that I pay about $1200 for health insurance so not a big change.
That is right. So when they say that Sanders will tax the hell out of middle class, many really don't know what they are talking about. Sanders also promises free health care for all, so many middle class will benefit from it.
To me, I will pay more even with free health care for all lol But I don't mind that for personal reasons.
I don't think middle class would be hurting under his tax plan, The only thing I worry about is how he plans on funding all these and how he pushes his agenda.
Once again.....I find those who question how Bernie will pay for this or that never seem to question how we are going to pay for the wars.
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remember that?), you have nothing to fear in Bernie.
< -- That is a leader who can energize a base. We need someone who's as pissed off as the rest of us, and ready to throw down for what we know is right.
