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Old 04-04-2016, 10:57 AM
 
Location: On the Edge of the Fringe
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I wonder if all these people who are jumping on the Sanders bandwagon are just so angry/lazy/uneducated that they feel the need to lash out at a country that works well for anyone who wants to put forth effort?


True Story

When I was young, out of college, in a recession, making minimum wage with an art degree, one of the few employed, in a bad marriage, in a dysfunctional family etc I was told by my boss to drop off some printings at a printshop in a local hospital.
As I was parking,in the back by the loading area, a Convertable pulled up, an older guy with a lady dressed in a glittery dress got out and someone standing outside the hospital (an employee) took a picture and escorted them inside.

My response was anger. Like "Who the hell is this guy, riding around in a convertable and having a hot woman, getting his picture made while I am struggling to get by. How dare him!"
I could have easily turned to communism (which still existed in Europe and THE USSR) and advocated to stop such excess.

But I there, that day, made a different decision.

I decided that I wanted to rise up to his level.

I decided to make changes in my life.

I realized that a big reason I had failed was because I had often listened to others, allowed others, especially a dyscfunctional father, to make decisions for me.

I realized that my life was not going the way I wanted it to go and in order to achieve goals I wanted, I had to make changes.
SO I quit. I resigned.
I went back to college, went into medicine, got another degree (on grants and my own pocket) I divorced the evil (ex)wife, and her family. I left, went away.

I ended up long ago with the hot wife, the convertible, the attention. I still have the wife, but I sold the convertible and keep a low profile in public. But My point is, I wanted something so I went out and worked for it. no one gave it to me.
In fact, I probably had NO ONEs permission to do anything. I do not need it.
I need no ones permission, blessing or approval... I just do the things I choose, to achieve the goals I set.

So what of Sanders and his angry followers, the ones who want to pull the plug on a system that works? First, I don't see him being very effective if he is elected. I don't see Congress going along with 70% taxes and allowing taxes to stop all investing. If that happens, economic depression will ensue. kind of like day to day life in North Korea.
I also don;t see his socialistic (communistic) ways of redistributing the wealth working within the limits of the constitution. But Bernie is a socialist, not a constitutionalist, and he is not a real American. He is angry and he wants to take down America in doing so. His followers, the ones who are still angry and crying that I have a high paying job and a hot wife, are still crying that "it is not fair" instead of rolling up their sleeves and getting to work. They live with excuses, tears and anger.

is that what kind of president we really want or need?

Is our country so angry and divided now that we could see someone elected who would like to undo the framework that our founding fathers sacrificed for some 240 years ago when they established our great nation?
Seriously, so things are not working like a well tuned machine, that does not mean throw out the whole thing and live like they do in Cuba. It means fix the broken parts, and educate and empower people w to improve their lives and situation, not to tear down those who have worked hard to succeed.

Do Not Elect Sanders, unless you want to lower everyone to the lowest factor.
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Old 04-04-2016, 11:00 AM
 
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You grew up during Sanders type policies in the 50s or 60s or early 70s and that was great? Is that what you are saying? I hear many people who want to "get back to the good days with a prospering middle class in social democratic America in the 60s. Well, Sanders is laying this vision on the table. He isnt funded by any special interests. He is beholden to the people only, and will serve the people.
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Old 04-04-2016, 11:03 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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I wonder if all these people who are jumping on the Sanders bandwagon are just so angry/lazy/uneducated that they feel the need to lash out at a country that works well for anyone who wants to put forth effort?


True Story

When I was young, out of college, in a recession, making minimum wage with an art degree, one of the few employed, in a bad marriage, in a dysfunctional family etc I was told by my boss to drop off some printings at a printshop in a local hospital.
As I was parking,in the back by the loading area, a Convertable pulled up, an older guy with a lady dressed in a glittery dress got out and someone standing outside the hospital (an employee) took a picture and escorted them inside.

My response was anger. Like "Who the hell is this guy, riding around in a convertable and having a hot woman, getting his picture made while I am struggling to get by. How dare him!"
I could have easily turned to communism (which still existed in Europe and THE USSR) and advocated to stop such excess.

But I there, that day, made a different decision.

I decided that I wanted to rise up to his level.

I decided to make changes in my life.

I realized that a big reason I had failed was because I had often listened to others, allowed others, especially a dyscfunctional father, to make decisions for me.

I realized that my life was not going the way I wanted it to go and in order to achieve goals I wanted, I had to make changes.
SO I quit. I resigned.
I went back to college, went into medicine, got another degree (on grants and my own pocket) I divorced the evil (ex)wife, and her family. I left, went away.

I ended up long ago with the hot wife, the convertible, the attention. I still have the wife, but I sold the convertible and keep a low profile in public. But My point is, I wanted something so I went out and worked for it. no one gave it to me.
In fact, I probably had NO ONEs permission to do anything. I do not need it.
I need no ones permission, blessing or approval... I just do the things I choose, to achieve the goals I set.

So what of Sanders and his angry followers, the ones who want to pull the plug on a system that works? First, I don't see him being very effective if he is elected. I don't see Congress going along with 70% taxes and allowing taxes to stop all investing. If that happens, economic depression will ensue. kind of like day to day life in North Korea.
I also don;t see his socialistic (communistic) ways of redistributing the wealth working within the limits of the constitution. But Bernie is a socialist, not a constitutionalist, and he is not a real American. He is angry and he wants to take down America in doing so. His followers, the ones who are still angry and crying that I have a high paying job and a hot wife, are still crying that "it is not fair" instead of rolling up their sleeves and getting to work. They live with excuses, tears and anger.

is that what kind of president we really want or need?

Is our country so angry and divided now that we could see someone elected who would like to undo the framework that our founding fathers sacrificed for some 240 years ago when they established our great nation?
Seriously, so things are not working like a well tuned machine, that does not mean throw out the whole thing and live like they do in Cuba. It means fix the broken parts, and educate and empower people w to improve their lives and situation, not to tear down those who have worked hard to succeed.

Do Not Elect Sanders, unless you want to lower everyone to the lowest factor.
Some of the younger ones are angry about living 'paycheck to paycheck' and are anxious to tax the 1%. I'm not sure how that is going to help but I've had a few online conversations with a few. Yes, they were young. No, they did not have high paying jobs. They think Sanders is just going to fix everything for them and I am afraid they will be deeply disappointed.
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Old 04-04-2016, 11:05 AM
 
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I wonder if all these people who are jumping on the Sanders bandwagon are just so angry/lazy/uneducated that they feel the need to lash out at a country that works well for anyone who wants to put forth the effort.
There is no need for you to get angry and lash out at others just because they disagree with you. Get over it.
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Old 04-04-2016, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Bernie Sanders is NOT a communist, or a socialist, In the European – and particularly the postwar German , there would be no question that Sanders is, in fact, a “social democrat.†That is not a radical or controversial label in the least.

This said, I don't agree with Sanders on a lot of things, but to say that he is a communist and a socialist is not true.
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Old 04-04-2016, 11:07 AM
 
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All is well:

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Old 04-04-2016, 11:08 AM
 
Location: North Central Florida
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What difference, at this point, does it make?........

The leading contenders.......

A Communist

An Oligarch

A Fascist

A religious zealot


The country is screwed six ways from Sunday whatever happens later this year.

CN.......
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Old 04-04-2016, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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So what of Sanders and his angry followers, the ones who want to pull the plug on a system that works? First, I don't see him being very effective if he is elected. I don't see Congress going along with 70% taxes and allowing taxes to stop all investing. .
Nothing is that simple. Many here believe that he can never get anything passed because of congress.

I think he can kill citizens united. No need to increase corporate tax, only thing he needs to do is Tightening tax Loopholes. That is exactly what he would do.
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Old 04-04-2016, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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You grew up during Sanders type policies in the 50s or 60s or early 70s and that was great? Is that what you are saying? I hear many people who want to "get back to the good days with a prospering middle class in social democratic America in the 60s. Well, Sanders is laying this vision on the table. He isnt funded by any special interests. He is beholden to the people only, and will serve the people.
this isn't true. I don't have time to write a full response back but outside of the general federal income tax on the top 2 percent, he isn't proposing to make America like the 50s or 60s. He sure as hell isn't going to create middle class jobs.
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Old 04-04-2016, 11:30 AM
 
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this isn't true. I don't have time to write a full response back but outside of the general federal income tax on the top 2 percent, he isn't proposing to make America like the 50s or 60s. He sure as hell isn't going to create middle class jobs.
Yes, he is. He is an FDR democrat, with a strong social safety net and a free enterprise system, vehemently opposed to crony capitalism.

Here he expands on the FDR legacy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGzhNKqX6vs

Here is the definition of what he is up against, Ayn Rand types like Greenspan who doesnt care about the working class:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJaW32ZTyKE
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