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Old 04-07-2016, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Then he is a hypocrite; in taking this issue on - he points the finger at only one person when, in reality, he is saying that Obama is unqualified; John Kerry is unqualified; Elizabeth Warren is unqualified and I hope that Hillary starts to point that out.
He's been saying that Citizens United needs to be overturned.

He's running against Hillary and he's pointed out the disproportionate amount of funds she's raised from banks and corporate interests in her bid. He raises the question, "How can anyone stand for Progressive causes when they are receiving so much $$$ form anti Progressive groups/corporations?" There is a conflict of interests clearly

Now those are not his exact words-- I am paraphrasing. I put it in quotes because I am showing a question anyone could infer by looking at this issue.
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Old 04-07-2016, 10:45 AM
 
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When all this first started ~ I was so proud that the Democrats had such two good candidates. I was prepared to vote for either one and though that we would all work together. Sanders supporters quickly disabused me of that notion.
I voted for Sanders in the primary, and like you, I was proud of the fact that the Democrats had two candidates I could happily support. Even though Sanders wasn't a Democrat, I was happy to let him campaign on the party ballot. But if his purpose is to tear the party apart, then he should have run as an independent.

Right now I am none to happy with him. He has good ideas that were winning over voters. He didn't need to go negative on Clinton, but the fact that he has is making me rethink my support.
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Old 04-07-2016, 10:51 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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He's been saying that Citizens United needs to be overturned.

He's running against Hillary and he's pointed out the disproportionate amount of funds she's raised from banks and corporate interests in her bid. He raises the question, "How can anyone stand for Progressive causes when they are receiving so much $$$ form anti Progressive groups/corporations?" There is a conflict of interests clearly

Now those are not his exact words-- I am paraphrasing. I put it in quotes because I am showing a question anyone could infer by looking at this issue.
Both Obama and Hillary want CU overturned. I want CU overturned! Fully agree with getting big money out of politics. But, until that happens, this IS the system and I don't blame those who have to work within it.


Again ~ why does he not criticize Obama for his accepting superpac funds? It's only Hillary that has a conflict.


Bernie's senior advisor previously worked for a wealthy law firm that defended (gasp) Monsanto! And Lehman Brothers!


How can Bernie have such a conflict on his own staff?


All I am saying is that Bernie is NOT pure; has never been pure and trots this argument out ONLY when it suits him.
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Old 04-07-2016, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Both Repub and Dem parties have disenfranchised their bases, they take all the goodies for themselves and their wealthy backers....left the scraps for the middle class if there were any

We'll see how these parties look after this election
African Americans are a HUGE part of the Democratic base and it's Sanders and his surrogates and supporters who keep disenfranchising them by saying their votes don't count because they are in red states (but of course Bernie's WHITE red state votes in teeny little caucus states mean everything)
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Old 04-07-2016, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Both Obama and Hillary want CU overturned. I want CU overturned! Fully agree with getting big money out of politics. But, until that happens, this IS the system and I don't blame those who have to work within it.


Again ~ why does he not criticize Obama for his accepting superpac funds? It's only Hillary that has a conflict.


Bernie's senior advisor previously worked for a wealthy law firm that defended (gasp) Monsanto! And Lehman Brothers!


How can Bernie have such a conflict on his own staff?


All I am saying is that Bernie is NOT pure; has never been pure and trots this argument out ONLY when it suits him.
Bernie could say that he has the revolutionary idea that the sun should rise in the east tomorrow morning and his supporters would gasp and say that's amazing and he's the only one saying that. And then of course he'd say "and let's not let the sun rise on Wall Street."
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Old 04-07-2016, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Texas
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African Americans are a HUGE part of the Democratic base and it's Sanders and his surrogates and supporters who keep disenfranchising them by saying their votes don't count because they are in red states (but of course Bernie's WHITE red state votes in teeny little caucus states mean everything)
Bernie doesn't disenfranchise anybody.

He never said their votes didn't count.

Sure Blacks make up a large part of the Democratic base, but they aren't the only Democrats.

When the issue of the southern states being red comes up, it simply means that typically they ultimately vote Republican in a presidential election, that is backed up by history.
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Old 04-07-2016, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Bernie doesn't disenfranchise anybody.

He never said their votes didn't count.

Sure Blacks make up a large part of the Democratic base, but they aren't the only Democrats.

When the issue of the southern states being red comes up, it simply means that typically they ultimately vote Republican in a presidential election, that is backed up by history.
Half of Bernie's wins are also in red states. But somehow, Tim Robbins wasn't up there saying that Kansas was the same as Guam.
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Old 04-07-2016, 11:27 AM
 
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African Americans are a HUGE part of the Democratic base and it's Sanders and his surrogates and supporters who keep disenfranchising them by saying their votes don't count because they are in red states (but of course Bernie's WHITE red state votes in teeny little caucus states mean everything)

Where has Bernie or his support team tried to disqualify vote totals or election results? When Hillary was carrying most of the swing states in the 08 primary she made similar comments about electability. I felt it was a valid comment then and now. But it also does not change the actual vote totals that count towards a nomination.


The truth is AA voters are disproportionately Democratic but many huge AA populations are in states that are never going blue. The opposite is also true where a 5%-10% AA population can be the difference maker in a swing state.
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Old 04-07-2016, 11:27 AM
 
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I voted for Sanders in the primary, and like you, I was proud of the fact that the Democrats had two candidates I could happily support. Even though Sanders wasn't a Democrat, I was happy to let him campaign on the party ballot. But if his purpose is to tear the party apart, then he should have run as an independent.

Right now I am none to happy with him. He has good ideas that were winning over voters. He didn't need to go negative on Clinton, but the fact that he has is making me rethink my support.
He can't just sit there and keep turning the other cheek as they bombard him.

At some point, if they don't let up (and Hillary and the MSM haven't), he's going to have to defend himself and say exactly what he thinks in response to the very things they've been saying, which is pretty nasty stuff and dirty tricks
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Old 04-07-2016, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Half of Bernie's wins are also in red states. But somehow, Tim Robbins wasn't up there saying that Kansas was the same as Guam.
Which states, the Plains states? --different demographics, different culture
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