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Old 11-12-2016, 06:12 PM
 
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But according to the article, some states allow their electorates to change their votes. Hopefully not many will,
but if all the rioting continues, who knows.......
24 of the 50 states are not bound by state law, but most of those lacking a law, are bound by pledges, that the political party has the right to replace if the pledges arent followed as promised. The Supreme Court has held that individuals are not free to vote for who they wish, and can easily be substituted

you guys are grasping for air while standing on the shoreline of the ocean where there is lots of clean air to begin with.. relax.. take a deep breath, 8 years will go bye and you'll still be alive..
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Old 11-12-2016, 06:28 PM
 
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so.

Thats the purpose of electoral vote.
Popular vote is just that, popularity contest.
Like class president.
In pretty much every single democratic republic, the candidate that gets the most votes wins.
That is fair.

What is extrodinary, is that in the US they have this archaic system to pick a president, and that system is clearly flawed. Yet for purely partisan reasons, people such as yourself defend it and think there's nothing the matter with working against the democratic wishes of the majority of the public.
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Old 11-12-2016, 06:34 PM
 
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Wow, the rightwingers are really getting defensive that Trump came in second place among the voters.

Even Jimmy Carter got over 50% of the vote and he won the popular vote, both of which Trump failed to do. It shows just how weak Trump's victory was.

60,879,648 Clinton
60,289,426 Trump
_________
590,222 Clinton's lead (and growing)

sure, in just California:


Clinton: 5,860, 714 votes
Trump: 3,151, 821 votes that's a 2.7 million gap, the biggest gap in the nation.....with all those illegals in California it sure helps the Democrat Party. LMAO!



it doesn't hurt me......Trump campaigned to win the electoral vote not the popular vote....if the rules was the popular then Trump campaigns in only big cities with big population. Trump won the states he needed to win, the popular vote is a mute point.


if the rules of a game is who ever has the most points wins in a sport why would anybody care who won the time of possession stat or who has the bigger fan base?????
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Old 11-12-2016, 06:35 PM
 
Location: :0)1 CORINTHIANS,13*"KYRIE, ELEISON"*"CHRISTE ELEISON"
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Lightbulb Silly idea! It is NOT going to happen!!

Really?? They think they can over turn 306 + ELECTORAL VOTES obtained by President Elect Donald J. Trump!

What a waste of time....


Oh, and the MILITARY VOTES have NOT been counted yet, they cannot stand Clinton!

And the MILITARY tend to vote REPUBLICAN anyway
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Old 11-12-2016, 06:37 PM
 
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Wow, the rightwingers are really getting defensive that Trump came in second place among the voters.

Even Jimmy Carter got over 50% of the vote and he won the popular vote, both of which Trump failed to do. It shows just how weak Trump's victory was.

60,879,648 Clinton
60,289,426 Trump
_________
590,222 Clinton's lead (and growing)
Stay pressed. It doesn't change that he won. It makes no difference that she beat him in the popular vote (barely).
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Old 11-12-2016, 06:39 PM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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In pretty much every single democratic republic, the candidate that gets the most votes wins.
That is fair.

What is extrodinary, is that in the US they have this archaic system to pick a president, and that system is clearly flawed. Yet for purely partisan reasons, people such as yourself defend it and think there's nothing the matter with working against the democratic wishes of the majority of the public.
We appreciate your expert opinion.
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Old 11-12-2016, 06:40 PM
 
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Stay pressed. It doesn't change that he won. It makes no difference that she beat him in the popular vote (barely).

nobody campaigns to win the popular vote ....they campaign to win the electoral vote.


if a stat in election doesn't count and nobody works for it why is it important for the losers?

there is no prize if somebody wins the popular vote...its meaningless...not even a cookie!
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Old 11-12-2016, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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You mean the 120 million voters who chose Clinton over Trump by an almost 600,000 vote margin?

There's nothing wrong with people petitioning the Electors to switch their votes. It's Constitutional, so the right wingers need to stop whining about it. Don't like it? Start your own petition to keep Trump.
We already had our petition for Donald. It's called "voting". And no, I didn't mean the the 120 million who voted for Clinton - because that didn't occur - I meant over 120 million people total voted, in the entire country.
I guess it was actually around 135 mil.
Nothing wrong with a petition. Seems like it happens often lately when losers can't deal with results they don't like. Welcome to life.
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Old 11-12-2016, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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The title of this article says it all...
Clinton's Popular-Vote Lead Is Going to Get a Lot Bigger - The Atlantic

4 million left to count in CA, 700,000 left to count in WA-Hillary will take them 2-to-1
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Old 11-12-2016, 06:45 PM
 
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In pretty much every single democratic republic, the candidate that gets the most votes wins.
That is fair.

What is extrodinary, is that in the US they have this archaic system to pick a president, and that system is clearly flawed. Yet for purely partisan reasons, people such as yourself defend it and think there's nothing the matter with working against the democratic wishes of the majority of the public.


you called in sick they day your teacher taught American Civic....we are not a banana Republic where the mob rules with a majority, we are a constitutional Republic.

The Electoral College was in part designed to force the candidates to appeal to a broad range of people in many states large and small. If we did away with this system, the candidates would be able to focus on getting votes in several large cities. They might ignore less populated portion of the country.

Remember that the United States is a union of 50 separate and independent states. We are not just one big country. On Election Day we do not have one big national election, but instead we hold 50 separate elections, one for each state. In this way each state determines who they want to be President. Each state has different rules that determine how their electors in the college must vote. Almost all states require all of their electors to vote for the winner of the popular vote for that state. Your vote does count!

Each state has electors equal to their total number of congressional seats in the House and Senate. This gives small states like Wyoming and Rhode Island power in the Electoral College that is slightly disproportionate to their population. This is much like the way these small states have slightly disproportionately more power in Congress. This was a compromise that the founding fathers came up with to prevent the states with large populations dominating the national government and exercising control over smaller states.

The fact that on rare occasions the winner of the Electoral College vote will be different from the winner of the nationwide popular vote is not an accident or flaw in the system. The nationwide popular vote is not even mentioned in the constitution. It is merely a number that the news media reports. The founding fathers never had any intention that our President should be elected by way of national popular vote.

A constitutional amendment would be required to change the system. Small states would never agree to ratify such an amendment. It is highly unlikely that it would ever pass.
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