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Old 12-01-2016, 09:19 PM
 
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You guess right about about California, but it is only one state with 55 electoral votes. And if you take away just the vote margins from Los Angeles and San Francisco counties, the popular vote is about a dead heat.

And I wasn't talking to you as you seem to write more civilized posts ... but you're right, the GOP controls everything for the next 2 years and most likely 4 and the SCOTUS selections could make it for much longer.
Which could go well or very bad for them. Time will tell.
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Old 12-01-2016, 09:21 PM
 
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Wrong. If Obama had been successful, the Democrat would have won. The guy you supported twice was a bad President. It's time for you and others to start recognizing that fact.
You said it was because of Obama that Trump won. I was only correcting you.
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Old 12-01-2016, 09:28 PM
 
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Wrong. If Obama had been successful, the Democrat would have won. The guy you supported twice was a bad President. It's time for you and others to start recognizing that fact.
Absolutely wrong, I absolutely disagree with that. The funniest thing I've seen today was Lindsay Graham accidentally defending Obamacare:

"Once you say that everybody should be covered, can't be denied coverage because they are sick – which most Americans would agree with that – you put yourself in a box. Insurance is about young people who are healthy buying insurance like you all to pay for me and him," Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said, pointing to the oldest reporter in the scrum. "If you don't have to buy insurance until you get sick, most people won't. That's where the mandate becomes important."

Graham added: "Somebody's got to work through this problem. If we're going to accept the proposition that you can never be denied coverage because you've been sick, then somebody's got to create a system where people participate.


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/...e-and-medicare

Since Trump got his political start by attacking President Obama as being born in Kenya, I think he will soon be humbled by the complexity of the job. Never mind how much hypocrisy we have seen from Republicans in the last three weeks. They attacked Obama for $70 million in seven years on vacations while Trump is costing $100 million a month. They attacked Obama's wife and children on everything, now they want civility for Trump's family. Obama wanted a trillion dollar infrastructure bill and they exploded, now it sounds fine, no more concerns about federal debt. They opposed Obama on everything big and small and now they are pleading for unity. And for all the poor treatment of President Obama, he is now very kindly and sincerely working with Trump to facilitate a smooth transition. All class and Republicans will never acknowledge it.
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Old 12-01-2016, 09:29 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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Well, talented and educated people are not evenly distributed across the country...they tend to accumulate in the most important and productive places. That typically means cities within 200 miles of the coasts, in the great lakes region and a few inland metro areas. There has been a brain-drain from rural areas for some time but that trend might be changing a little. There's statistics showing people moving out of the densely populated areas and heading to less populated communities. Are those folks leaving the big cities liberal or conservative? Some of the analysis of voting results showed red areas getting redder and blue areas getting bluer so maybe the conservative folks are self-segregating and seeking red neighbors. I'm not sure that's a good omen for the country's future. That may be an illusion brought on by baby boomers moving to retirement locations or the growth in domestic oil and gas boom jobs.
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Old 12-01-2016, 09:32 PM
 
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Well, talented and educated people are not evenly distributed across the country...they tend to accumulate in the most important and productive places. That typically means cities within 200 miles of the coasts, in the great lakes region and a few inland metro areas. There has been a brain-drain from rural areas for some time but that trend might be changing a little. There's statistics showing people moving out of the densely populated areas and heading to less populated communities. Are those folks leaving the big cities liberal or conservative? Some of the analysis of voting results showed red areas getting redder and blue areas getting bluer so maybe the conservative folks are self-segregating and seeking red neighbors. I'm not sure that's a good omen for the country's future. That may be an illusion brought on by baby boomers moving to retirement locations or the growth in domestic oil and gas boom jobs.
There are websites and books dedicated to it, it's called "the big sort" Home.
We do not like living near each other and are sorting ourselves geographically. The country is extremely divided and only becoming more so. Time will tell what that means in the future.
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Old 12-01-2016, 09:32 PM
 
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-tr...190239430.html
Donald Trump Won 2,600 Counties Compared To Clinton’s 500, Winning 83% Of The Geographic Nation
That's not how a landslide works. No one cares about worthless red states.
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Old 12-01-2016, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Caverns measureless to man...
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There would be more economic activity in that rust belt had stupid regulations and taxes not sent all those jobs to other countries.
Exactly which taxes and stupid regulations sent those jobs to other countries? Specifically. Have you got actual data, or just talk radio slogans?

You people need to understand that most of those jobs are not going overseas; they're being replaced by computerized automation (robots, computers, machines) or by poorly educated workers in other American states. Companies have cut payroll by replacing humans with computers. GM, for example, makes the same number of cars today with 5,000 human factory workers as it did with 25,000 humans in 1967, and they did it all with automation and streamlined production practices. How many of those jobs do you think you're going to get back by cutting taxes or limiting regulation? Seriously - can any of you answer that question?

Of the jobs that were lost due to relocation, far more were lost to other states in the US than to foreign countries. Companies found it cheaper to relocate their factories to states with more poorly educated and unskilled labor pools, like Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama, Texas, and South Carolina - states with terrible education systems, full of people who were more than happy to bolt a bumper on a car for 10 or 12 bucks an hour instead of the 28 bucks the workers in Michigan had come to expect.

Between 1990 and 2006, the state of Michigan lost 83,000 auto manufacturing jobs - but the 6 states I just mentioned ADDED 91,000 auto manufacturing jobs. So how's your guy gonna fix that? Is he going to take those 91,000 jobs away from the Americans in Kentucky, Tennessee, Texas, Alabama, South Carolina, and Georgia, and give them back to the Americans in Michigan? I'll buy popcorn to watch how that turns out.

Or, is he planning to outlaw robots and computers? Do you people who voted for him even know?

No. You don't know. Few (if any) of you do. I'm sorry, Three Wolves, I really like you and we have a lot of views in common, but you people need to understand that this issue is far more complicated than any of you seem to realize, and your guy has just been flatout lying to you when he says he has an answer. The jobs that used to get done in the Rust Belt are not just gone, they are extinct - they simply no longer exist, because the corporations have found ways to eliminate them to save money.
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Old 12-01-2016, 09:49 PM
 
Location: N Atlanta
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Since Trump got his political start by attacking President Obama as being born in Kenya, I think he will soon be humbled by the complexity of the job. Never mind how much hypocrisy we have seen from Republicans in the last three weeks. They attacked Obama for $70 million in seven years on vacations while Trump is costing $100 million a month. They attacked Obama's wife and children on everything, now they want civility for Trump's family. Obama wanted a trillion dollar infrastructure bill and they exploded, now it sounds fine, no more concerns about federal debt. They opposed Obama on everything big and small and now they are pleading for unity. And for all the poor treatment of President Obama, he is now very kindly and sincerely working with Trump to facilitate a smooth transition. All class and Republicans will never acknowledge it.
How do you know this ? How do you know he's not just working with him so Trump doesn't destroy his legacy with a few strokes on the pen on day one ?
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Old 12-01-2016, 09:53 PM
 
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How do you know this ? How do you know he's not just working with him so Trump doesn't destroy his legacy with a few strokes on the pen on day one ?
It's interesting that the portion responded to was about President Obama being nice rather than addressing all the contradictions between how Republicans treated Obama versus what they are saying about Trump even though Trump is spending more, etc.
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Old 12-01-2016, 09:57 PM
 
Location: N Atlanta
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It's interesting that the portion responded to was about President Obama being nice rather than addressing all the contradictions between how Republicans treated Obama versus what they are saying about Trump even though Trump is spending more, etc.
Are you hurt that the Republicans voted against Obama's liberal agenda for the last 8 years ? Ask him if he really expected the GOP to side with him on anything he wanted to do ?
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