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Do you seriously not understand that Putin is much worse that many previous Russian heads of state? And do you seriously not understand that any major influencing of the election would be very perturbing?
Democrats are not left, only if you overdose on talk radio, perhaps. Genuine leftist fringe dutifully sidekicks for Vlad and Russia no matter what they do, and so do lunatics, conspirologists and nazis of all shades in US and abroad. Genuine leftist "alternative" media is the vehicle for dissimination of barely paraphrased Russian propaganda. Useful idiocy is alive and well on the left. They hate America and automatically love anyone challenging American power. Nevermind that at this point in time Russia is anything but a leftist paradise. Check this out, https://consortiumnews.com/tag/russia/
Perhaps, but it is those "smokescreens", and all that crap that more often than not, form the basis for the personal human to human hatred.
Regardless of the ideologies behind the personna, the one constant amongst those in "power" is the ego stroke that comes with more power, and more money. It is the common bond between a communist, a capitalist, and any other "ists" you can imagine.......
Trump is well aware of this. IMHO, he's setting up a system that will "do business", and set aside all that other crap you speak of. Let everyone have their "ideologies", and plenty of space to enjoy them in.
If we're all otherwise "prosperous" in our own way, and don't have to war with each other about it, so much the better.
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I agree (smokescreens are real substance), except the last part, even though I understand what you are driving at.
History clearly shows that even if human beings were all prosperous, they still tend to stumble along some psychological infirmity (or two or three) that leads to war anyway.
Evil is within hand's reach and they just can't keep their mouths shut.
One man rule like Obama using his pen and phone to go around Congress, invading Libya without consulting Congress, and having his attorney general meet with Bill Clinton on an airplane?
Sorry.
I don't see much difference between Congress under Obama and the Russian Parliament under Putin.
How much of the last 8 years did you miss? Remember that the GOP decided that they would do nothing as long as Pres. Obama was in office. He tried to get Congress to go along with the air strikes in Libya. The GOP was more then happy to allow the Pres. to use that war authorization from Bush's wars.
Nutty Don has more issues then any politician. The issues coming out now and his inability to control himself are red flags.
The Left in the U.S. LOVED Russia (and acted as its agents) when it was Communist.
Russia was never communist, the USSR, in which Russia was one of 15 republics, was communist. As far as I know, the "left" (as if there is some meaning in this label) was not a fan of the Soviets.
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They even gave it a pass when it united with Hitler to invade Poland.
What was the US suppose to do, invade the USSR?
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But now they see Russia as a big threat.
Neocons, which consists of people from both parties, sees Russia as a threat, it is a threat because it keeps the defense dollars coming. Terrorism just does not justify multi-billion dollar defense projects.
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They claim Russia rigged the election, favoring Trump.
Yea, they also claim Comey swayed the election, it is Bernie's fault, deplorables, sexism, faulty electoral system...I miss anything? But basically anything other than Hillary.
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Actually, the only attempted election rigging that we know of consisted of the following:
1) DNC head Debbie Wassermann-Schultz working with Clinton's campaign to make sure that Bernie wouldn't win the nomination.
2) The current DNC head Donna Brazille feeding debate questions in advance to Hillary when Brazille worked for CNN.
3) Obama's attorney general Loretta Lynch meeting with Bill Clinton on an airplane to arrange things so that Hillary would not get indicted.
4) DNC staffers arranging for rent-a-thugs to go and start fights at Trump rallies.
5) The lying liberal mainstream media colluding and coordinating with the Clinton campaign.
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Assuming that the Russians hacked the DNC at all, what they did wasn't election rigging.
Instead, it was REVEALING that the election was BEING rigged -- by the Democrats!
Imagine what Trump's margin of victory would have been if Hillary did not have what was the largest media support of any candidate in history?
The Left in the U.S. LOVED Russia (and acted as its agents) when it was Communist.
They even gave it a pass when it united with Hitler to invade Poland.
But now they see Russia as a big threat.
They claim Russia rigged the election, favoring Trump.
Actually, the only attempted election rigging that we know of consisted of the following:
1) DNC head Debbie Wassermann-Schultz working with Clinton's campaign to make sure that Bernie wouldn't win the nomination.
2) The current DNC head Donna Brazille feeding debate questions in advance to Hillary when Brazille worked for CNN.
3) Obama's attorney general Loretta Lynch meeting with Bill Clinton on an airplane to arrange things so that Hillary would not get indicted.
4) DNC staffers arranging for rent-a-thugs to go and start fights at Trump rallies.
5) The lying liberal mainstream media colluding and coordinating with the Clinton campaign.
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Assuming that the Russians hacked the DNC at all, what they did wasn't election rigging.
Instead, it was REVEALING that the election was BEING rigged -- by the Democrats!
Russia never united with Hitler and Germany. The USA and Russia were allies during WW2.
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