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The Democrats have a choice. Either run on a platform of Medicare for all, $15 minimum wage, massively strengthen unions and affordable child care and college or run on a platform of "anti-Trump". Focus on the issues.
The current platform of "we're going to raise taxes" and "we care more about illegal aliens, even brutal murderers than American citizens" doesn't seem to be catching on. Many people who like the idea of Medicare for all either don't know the cost or won't be paying for it. Studies of Bernie Sanders plan estimate costs at between 25 and 32 trillion over 10 years, and loss of about two million jobs.
If they returned to being the party of Harry Truman and JFK, more of us independents would vote for them. But as of now, they are headed full steam in the other direction.
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I agree with that. That's why its a good idea to veer towards the center and focus on issues that have majority support among the American people, like Medicare for all, strengthening of unions and much higher minimum wage. Run as New Deal democrats. Not republican lights, screaming about Russia while supporting massive increases in military budgets and extensive new powers for Trump (tells us everything how phony many democrats are in their opposition to him).
the new deal is "far left" to most republicans.
I bet you could repeat FDRs WPA speech( changing only 1932 depression to 2008 recession) and every republican would call you a socialist.
The current platform of "we're going to raise taxes" and "we care more about illegal aliens, even brutal murderers than American citizens" doesn't seem to be catching on. Many people who like the idea of Medicare for all either don't know the cost or won't be paying for it. Studies of Bernie Sanders plan estimate costs at between 25 and 32 trillion over 10 years, and loss of about two million jobs.
If they returned to being the party of Harry Truman and JFK, more of us independents would vote for them. But as of now, they are headed full steam in the other direction.
Harry Truman and FDR were all great supporters of a national health care system like the rest of the world. And listen to this speech by JFK:
When it comes to costs, we spend twice as much per person as the rest of the world on health care today, it is the most inefficient in the world by far. The insurance industry are like leeches on the systems siphoning off trillions while denying care. The sooner they are eliminated, the better. Studies of Medicare for all are mostly done by vested interests who dont want to see it happening, because they'll lose their privileges, so they will of course try to exaggerate.
The question is whether we have the guts to take on the corrupt vested interests in America or not?
Bernie Sanders plan estimate costs at between 25 and 32 trillion over 10 years, and loss of about two million jobs.
Only 25-32T over 10 years? Sold! Let's do the math, shall we?
25-32T divided by 10 years = 2.5T to 3.2T per year
2.5T to 3.2T divided by 325M Americans = 7692 to 9846 per person?
The sad thing to admit... that's a steal. Very first search result I saw for "how much do Americans spend for healthcare" and it says we collectively pay 3.4T per year. And that's before we even factor in the costs paid by Medicare and the average American to fund the overhead costs for the insurance company (aka profit). About 15% of the cost of healthcare goes to the insurance companies.
So that's 15% right off the top of those numbers I already gave. Making it more like 6500 to 8400 per person and more like 2.1T to 2.7T per year. And that's also before a single payer system could set the price points for services.
I appreciate you throwing out big numbers as if it would prove your point, but thanks for disproving your point all by yourself.
The Democrats have a choice. Either run on a platform of Medicare for all, $15 minimum wage, massively strengthen unions and affordable child care and college or run on a platform of "anti-Trump". Focus on the issues.
and even that platform is likely not going to work, as most people realize it is unlikely anyone could begin to get medicare for everyone to become reality. $15 min wage, that could happen: strengthening union very unlikely.
What on earth does polling this far out tell us?
News breaks daily that can change everything entirely. Recently, Trump has had some not awful news, so polling is improving.
Doesn't change the fact that we have verifiable results showing larger Democratic turnout.
The Blue wave might be dead, but it also could become a tidal wave if some bad Trump news breaks before the elections.
Hate to mention this cause obviously you don't want to hear it, but this far out is only 5 months. That is not a long time out. As for larger Dem turnout you are talking primaries where many Republicans are either running unopposed or in districts that are pretty solid in their favor. Nov will be a completely different story. Of course things could be different if something dramatic were to happen on either side. And bad news works both ways.
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