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Old 08-01-2018, 11:00 AM
 
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Not to mention all the weird publicity he had dropping F bombs, falling asleep, and being overly "touchy" around women as VP. The media did all they could to censor it, and in the end he was making publicity runs to Dunkin' Donuts and WalMart.

I like Joe's personality, but he's not running for President. Dems need to get their heads out of their a**es and find a real candidate to run.
except for the falling asleep bit...sounds like Trump. We dont need a candidate like that.
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Old 08-01-2018, 11:03 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Actually most modern Dems would have been Republicans then...the GOP was the liberal party of the 1860s.
The parties have changed since then.
You don't honestly believe that the likes of George Wallace, Bull Connor, Strom Thurmond, the slaveholders, etc were liberals, do you?
"Liberal" in the 1860's had an entirely different meaning. A true "liberal" is one who believes in freedom and Liberty. "liberal" comes from liber: free, or Greek eleutheros: free.

Those who believe in freedom and liberty today call themselves, "classical liberals." I am a classical liberal.
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Old 08-01-2018, 11:06 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Yes because Trump would hand them their lunch.
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Old 08-01-2018, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Georgia
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And we don't even know if Biden is going to run, yet.

*awaits predictable Trumpets complaining about polls, disregarding the fact that they cite them all the time when it's in their favor*

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...ections-752979
Dream on!
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Old 08-01-2018, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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I'm not a Trump supporter and there are others saying not to count her out just yet.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.92ed2577ba55

I wouldn't bet my house on it per se but I don't feel she's really hung it up yet and she is still prominently appearing all over the media and her supporters keep reminding us that she SHOULD have won but was cheated.
Her chances of running again are around 1% even if she really wants to run again. In 2016, she had both the President and DNC superdelegates all in her corner. In 2020, she won't have any of that, especially if Biden decides to run. It would be hard to imagine a scenario where Obama doesn't stump for his own Vice President.
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Old 08-01-2018, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Yes because Trump would hand them their lunch.
Margin of Victory in Pennsylvania Presidential Elections

2016: 44,292
2012: 309,840
2008: 620,478
2004: 144,248
2000: 204,840
1996: 414,650
1992: 447,323
1988: 105,143
1984: 356,912
1980: 324,332
1976: 123,073
1972: 917,570
1968: 169,388
1964: 1,457,297
1960: 116,326

Trump easily had the smallest margin of victory in the 20th Century. You have to go all the way back to the election of 1880 to find a smaller margin, and that was back before women were allowed to vote. Considering the trend of population loss/growth in PA (rural areas shrinking, Philly and burbs growing), I'm not sure how you think Trump would hand anyone their lunch.
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Old 08-01-2018, 12:11 PM
 
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.....I'm not sure how you think Trump would hand anyone their lunch.

He sure handed Bill Clinton's wife her lunch.



This after all of you swore that Trump had absolutely no chance in Penn. That "Blue Wall" hasn't been mentioned for close to 2 year now.



I'm not sure why you would think otherwise.
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Old 08-01-2018, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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He sure handed Bill Clinton's wife her lunch.



This after all of you swore that Trump had absolutely no chance in Penn. That "Blue Wall" hasn't been mentioned for close to 2 year now.



I'm not sure why you would think otherwise.
Obama handed McCain his lunch, winning PA by 600K votes. Trump won on a Hail Mary.
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Old 08-01-2018, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Denver
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All the poles said Hillary would win in a landslide also. When you are again shocked in 2020, you can say I told you so.
You're also counting on people voting for Trump a second time. With all of these tariffs, Betsy Devos drama and the constant stupidity that comes out of his mouth, I'd bet that a lot of centrists or more "left-leaning" Republicans won't vote for him again.

There's quite a few people (myself included) that gave him the benefit of the doubt once he was elected. Within a few months though, any hope that he would change his tone vanished.

Then of course, who knows if he will run (especially if the Russia scandal runs its course and he is found to be involved) or even win primaries.
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Old 08-01-2018, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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You're also counting on people voting for Trump a second time. With all of these tariffs, Betsy Devos drama and the constant stupidity that comes out of his mouth, I'd bet that a lot of centrists or more "left-leaning" Republicans won't vote for him again.

There's quite a few people (myself included) that gave him the benefit of the doubt once he was elected. Within a few months though, any hope that he would change his tone vanished.

Then of course, who knows if he will run (especially if the Russia scandal runs its course and he is found to be involved) or even win primaries.
A lot of people who voted for Trump won't be around to vote for him a second time. With each passing year, his core base of voters shrinks, especially in the Rust Belt.
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