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Old 08-02-2018, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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In the case of his family, Beau Biden's death apparently had a huge ripple effect. The illness lasted several years. The brother already had addiction issues and they feared that was going to be a huge trigger- which I suspect was the case since his marriage hit the rocks soon after. There was also a widow and children that Biden felt obligations toward. Regardless of politics Biden has been able to cobble together a cohesive family through a major tragedy, remarriage, one kid's addiction and a long illness/death by another child. I give anyone who puts in that work/effort a lot of credit because it really is work to keep things clean in any of those circumstances.


I've given McCain similar credit for having a cohesive family wit children from 4 totally different circumstances. And to Romneys for how they dealt with her illness.
I absolutely am not doubting what you are saying and I never said it was just an excuse but I still maintain we do not really know if this was his true reason for not running in 2016. Regardless, I doubt he will run in 2020 but right now we are just speculating. We all are.
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Old 08-02-2018, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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No surprises here, even a dead raccoon should be able to beat the orange orangutan...
very clever for a 6th grader. Tell us when you graduate into Jr High and maybe we can all be there to cheer you, the comedian on.
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Old 08-02-2018, 09:28 AM
 
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No surprises here, even a dead raccoon should be able to beat the orange orangutan...
Gee. Do you think bold makes it true? Let's see.....

Hillary Clinton, Ted Cruz, JEB Bush, Marco Rubio, Ben Carson, Carly Fiorina, Rand Paul, John Kasich, Chris Christie, Rick Santorium, Rick Perry, Scott Walker, Bobby Jindal, Lindsay Graham, Geroge Pataki, and Mike Huckabee sure didn't look like dead racoons to me.


Yet "orange orangutan" beat them all, and all the Trump haters were crying on Nov. 8, 2016. "How could this be? Politico said it couldn't happen!" Some still are crying.

I'd think you guys would learn your lesson by now. But it seems not.



Gonna be another bad day for you guys come Nov 3, 2020, especially if the only hairball the Democrat party can cough up is Joe Biden again.
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Old 08-02-2018, 09:52 AM
 
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And we don't even know if Biden is going to run, yet.

*awaits predictable Trumpets complaining about polls, disregarding the fact that they cite them all the time when it's in their favor*

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...ections-752979
Gee they only included 36% of those polled as conservative

55% NOT conservative.

I would NOT expect any other "results".

"The percentage of Democrats who would choose Biden — 80 percent — was slightly higher than the 78 percent of Republicans who would vote for the president‘s reelection."

As with MOST polls, they poll FEWER repubs.

Even though the repubs hold MORE govonorships, more state legislatures and BOTH houses of Congress, they poll FEWER repubs.

What do you think the "results" would be if they polled MORE repubs then others?

This WHY MOST polls were so far off in "predicting" the election and many people NOT trust them.
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Old 08-02-2018, 09:55 AM
 
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All the republicans I know would vote for joe or Hillary in that poll. I know I would.

Fish in a barrel
Then you don't know many repubs!
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Old 08-02-2018, 10:58 AM
 
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Gee they only included 36% of those polled as conservative

55% NOT conservative.

I would NOT expect any other "results".

"The percentage of Democrats who would choose Biden — 80 percent — was slightly higher than the 78 percent of Republicans who would vote for the president‘s reelection."

As with MOST polls, they poll FEWER repubs.

Even though the repubs hold MORE govonorships, more state legislatures and BOTH houses of Congress, they poll FEWER repubs.

What do you think the "results" would be if they polled MORE repubs then others?

This WHY MOST polls were so far off in "predicting" the election and many people NOT trust them.
They “poll fewer Repubs” because there are fewer Republicans than Democrats and Independents. If you have a poll with more or as many Republicans, you have a seriously skewed poll.
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Old 08-02-2018, 11:30 AM
 
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They “poll fewer Repubs” because there are fewer Republicans than Democrats and Independents. If you have a poll with more or as many Republicans, you have a seriously skewed poll.

Bureaucat, do you honestly believe that 1966 people polled by Politico and their partners actually reflects a nation of 320,000,000 people?



That's a degree of precision (approximation) of 0.000006. A figure that would be rejected by any accepted scientific method out there.
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Old 08-02-2018, 12:24 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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And we don't even know if Biden is going to run, yet.

*awaits predictable Trumpets complaining about polls, disregarding the fact that they cite them all the time when it's in their favor*

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...ections-752979
Like all news sources, Trump supporters love polls that favor them but disregard any that don't as fake without second thought.
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Old 08-02-2018, 12:27 PM
 
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Biden won't run IMO due to age, prior family issues, etc. If he had run in 2016 instead of Hillary, I truly believe he'd be POTUS today. But that's simply "whatever" material. And a poll looking forward to a 2020 election before midterm elections have even taken place to see if the house and/or senate can be flipped is coffee room chatter material.
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Old 08-02-2018, 01:27 PM
 
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Trump's approval ratings stink worse than any other president when you view them over time. His average approval rating today is 41.3% according to Politics 538. If you look at RealClearPolitics his average approval rating today is 43.5%. What is most noteworthy about Trump is that neither poll can identify any point between January 20, 2017 and today when Trump had a net positive approval rating. He's never been popular and won't be popular even if he somehow sneaks back into office in 2020. Frankly, its hard for someone who is seen as a garbage pile of profanity, crudity, and nastiness to win reelection even when he claims credit for a good economy he didn't create.

The biggest concern I have is that the democrats will snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory by nominating an unelectable candidate. Biden is electable, but may not be the strongest the dems have to offer. Personally, I'd like to see someone a bit younger than Joe. Tim Kaine is seldom mentioned as a presidential candidate, but I think he would do well. I've seen New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu interviewed on t.v. and I think would be a good candidate. There are lots of good quality democrats who would do well. What we don't need is a "Bernie Sanders" or an Elizabeth Warren. Nominating either of them may very well hand the next four years back to Trump.
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