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Old 11-13-2018, 11:48 AM
 
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GOP knows it can't win 2020 without Trump.
Trump's base leaves if Trump leaves.


The only thing standing in the way of Democrats winning 2020 is Trump and Trump's base.
Trump's base (and Trump's rallies) prevented Democrats from taking the Senate this year, and Trump's name wasn't even on the ballot.
Trump's rag tag base does him more harm than good which is why he lost Arizona and Nevada senate races. In addition the House is now in the hands of the Democrats because he and his ugly base of haters and racists have repulsed, educated white women and men who are now solidly Democratic, and will be in 2020 as well.

Not to mention young people who are becoming way more active and can't stand this clown. Needless to say minority groups are even more amped up to turnout and vote than ever before and that ain't changing anytime soon.

Dirty Donny is about to learn an important lesson - you win in politics by adding voters not subtracting them.

11/3/20 can't come soon enough!
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Old 11-13-2018, 12:03 PM
 
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Trump wins likely in a bigger margin than 2016
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Old 11-13-2018, 12:20 PM
 
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Trump's rag tag base does him more harm than good which is why he lost Arizona and Nevada senate races. In addition the House is now in the hands of the Democrats because he and his ugly base of haters and racists have repulsed, educated white women and men who are now solidly Democratic, and will be in 2020 as well.

Not to mention young people who are becoming way more active and can't stand this clown. Needless to say minority groups are even more amped up to turnout and vote than ever before and that ain't changing anytime soon.

Dirty Donny is about to learn an important lesson - you win in politics by adding voters not subtracting them.

11/3/20 can't come soon enough!

Didn't Obama lost Massachusetts Senate seat (Ted Kennedy's seat) in his first midterms in 2010 a very blue state and lost other blue states?.....Didn't Obama lost 63 house seats and 6 Senate seats and a bunch of governorships? The same for Bill Clinton in his first mid-term?

If we go by your thinking Obama and Bill Clinton had no business winning re-election but they did easily so Trump is in a better spot because he lost a lot less than Obama and Bill.
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Old 11-13-2018, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Impeachment was only held back because congress didn't have the votes until now. My guess is Mueller has gotten Paul Manafort, Richard Gates, and Flynn to sing like song birds they say anything to stay out of prison.

Mueller is no dummy he is smart and knows exactly what he is doing the results of his work will be dropped right into the laps of new congress 2019. People say what about senate GOP holds control of it. Think about going into 2020 elections GOP. Mueller is able to produce evidence of Trump's involvement, and later trying to shut down the investigation. The GOP will run from Trump as fast as they can they got their Supreme court, and tax reform they don't need Trump anymore turn on him so fast you will be surprised. GOP never liked Trump he was used to get what they wanted. They will also pay long term price for it and the country is going to as well. We don't know what Trump plans on doing with his new AG if he attempts to fire Mueller it will speed up the process.

He will be impeached by the DEM controlled house easily and then either resign or lose impeachment trial vote in the senate. I think after impeachment he will be indictment by grand jury on several charges possibly some of his family members as well. A deal might be struck at that point let Pence do some sort of Pardon maybe for his family members. I really think Trump will end up in a jumpsuit in the end in 2020 GOP will lose the election Dems will hold congress and white house. I'm no liberal either I vote GOP but this is how it's going to play out.
totally off on your thinking


1. nothing to impeach him on..as of yet... even Pelosi would not go after Bush... you really think they would try an impeachment when they have nothing on him?? that would be political suicide for them


2. Mueller has nothing on Trump himself, otherwise that would have been leaked months or even a year ago...if Mueller had anything on trump himself, for collusion, voter fraud/manipulation, and even obstruction of justice, it would have leaked already... as soon as he had 1 solid piece of evidence he had a constitutional responsibility to bring it out in the open, so trump could be impeached/removed ((before he made any SC appointments))... he has not done so... so the facts (yes circumstantial ) point to him having nothing on POTUS himself
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Old 11-13-2018, 12:49 PM
 
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Impeachment was only held back because congress didn't have the votes until now. My guess is Mueller has gotten Paul Manafort, Richard Gates, and Flynn to sing like song birds they say anything to stay out of prison.

Mueller is no dummy he is smart and knows exactly what he is doing the results of his work will be dropped right into the laps of new congress 2019. People say what about senate GOP holds control of it. Think about going into 2020 elections GOP. Mueller is able to produce evidence of Trump's involvement, and later trying to shut down the investigation. The GOP will run from Trump as fast as they can they got their Supreme court, and tax reform they don't need Trump anymore turn on him so fast you will be surprised. GOP never liked Trump he was used to get what they wanted. They will also pay long term price for it and the country is going to as well. We don't know what Trump plans on doing with his new AG if he attempts to fire Mueller it will speed up the process.

He will be impeached by the DEM controlled house easily and then either resign or lose impeachment trial vote in the senate. I think after impeachment he will be indictment by grand jury on several charges possibly some of his family members as well. A deal might be struck at that point let Pence do some sort of Pardon maybe for his family members. I really think Trump will end up in a jumpsuit in the end in 2020 GOP will lose the election Dems will hold congress and white house. I'm no liberal either I vote GOP but this is how it's going to play out.

Impossible. I think 66 (or 67, whatever) senators are needed for removal. Will be at least 52 GOP senators. Not happening.
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Old 11-13-2018, 01:33 PM
 
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Didn't Obama lost Massachusetts Senate seat (Ted Kennedy's seat) in his first midterms in 2010 a very blue state and lost other blue states?.....Didn't Obama lost 63 house seats and 6 Senate seats and a bunch of governorships? The same for Bill Clinton in his first mid-term?

If we go by your thinking Obama and Bill Clinton had no business winning re-election but they did easily so Trump is in a better spot because he lost a lot less than Obama and Bill.
Neither Obama nor Clinton had the Senate map tipping as strongly in their party's direction. The early 90s were also when minority district came into play for the House (meaning those seats in the South became either whiter or blacker), they changed campaign finance laws and a bunch of sitting Ds retired to keep their campaign loot (feel free to insert a joke about political crooks...), and the South was generally realigning towards Rs. In 2010 Dems had won improbable wins in both 2006 and 2008 so they were maxed out in the house. Obama and a couple of his cabinet people's seats were also up for election- and in many of those seats Dems landed bum candidates. Dems literally lost Obama's senate seat because a guy whose family owned a failed bank decided his moment to run for Senate was on the tail end of a financial meltdown. Kennedy's seat going R was in line with Moore picking up a Senate seat in Alabama for the Democrats. One time gig...


In this election we saw the Western states tipping D and the suburbs going D by a mile. A huge number of Dem pickups were in seats that were drawn to be safely R but fell because college educated woman turned on the GOP.


The biggest win for Trump was Florida. His second biggest win was retaining the Ohio Governorship (even though the liberal D was reelected to the US Senate.) Those two states are the lynchpins of any R path to the Presidency. He has shown he can drag an election across the finish line in those two states.


Pa, Michigan, and Wisconsin going back to Ds on the statewide levels were the equivalent wins for Democrats. Clinton lost the three combined by 150k votes. So if those return to the D column it basically blocks the R paths. The big question was whether D performance in Georgia and Arizona were one time events or could be replicated. Also NC had a majority of House votes go to Dems and Dems won the two state Supreme Court races. If Rs are having to fight hard to hold NC, Ga, and Arizona its going to be a very precarious Presidential campaign for them.


The other bellwether was that older voters went for Rs but younger voters broke hard in the direction of Democrats. I read that under 30s went D by 35% and were specifically credited with saving Jon Tester's Senate seat. Older voters vote more reliably but we have two years of attrition before 2020 and younger voters will be more active in Presidential years. Considering the razor thin state margins we saw fuel Trump in 2016 that young voter margin/loss of 4 years of senior voters might be the difference.
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Old 11-13-2018, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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The big question was whether D performance in Georgia and Arizona were one time events or could be replicated.
Definitely the latter. Both states have been trending D because of increased minority populations moving in and strong growth in the urban areas. I suspect both may be close in the 2020 presidential vote.
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Old 11-13-2018, 02:34 PM
 
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I think McSally, Heller and Kobach would disagree with you along with the moderate repubs who got destroyed but this fools stupidity and ignorance. Trump is the best thing that Dems will have going for them in 2020 except for the ruby red goober states - which aren't needed to get to 270.

Get used to saying President elect Kamala Harris!
LOLOLOL.

Thanks! I needed the laugh.
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Old 11-13-2018, 02:35 PM
 
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I predict lawsuits filed by the loser, whoever that will be.
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Old 11-13-2018, 02:36 PM
 
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Neither Obama nor Clinton had the Senate map tipping as strongly in their party's direction. The early 90s were also when minority district came into play for the House (meaning those seats in the South became either whiter or blacker), they changed campaign finance laws and a bunch of sitting Ds retired to keep their campaign loot (feel free to insert a joke about political crooks...), and the South was generally realigning towards Rs. In 2010 Dems had won improbable wins in both 2006 and 2008 so they were maxed out in the house. Obama and a couple of his cabinet people's seats were also up for election- and in many of those seats Dems landed bum candidates. Dems literally lost Obama's senate seat because a guy whose family owned a failed bank decided his moment to run for Senate was on the tail end of a financial meltdown. Kennedy's seat going R was in line with Moore picking up a Senate seat in Alabama for the Democrats. One time gig...


In this election we saw the Western states tipping D and the suburbs going D by a mile. A huge number of Dem pickups were in seats that were drawn to be safely R but fell because college educated woman turned on the GOP.


The biggest win for Trump was Florida. His second biggest win was retaining the Ohio Governorship (even though the liberal D was reelected to the US Senate.) Those two states are the lynchpins of any R path to the Presidency. He has shown he can drag an election across the finish line in those two states.


Pa, Michigan, and Wisconsin going back to Ds on the statewide levels were the equivalent wins for Democrats. Clinton lost the three combined by 150k votes. So if those return to the D column it basically blocks the R paths. The big question was whether D performance in Georgia and Arizona were one time events or could be replicated. Also NC had a majority of House votes go to Dems and Dems won the two state Supreme Court races. If Rs are having to fight hard to hold NC, Ga, and Arizona its going to be a very precarious Presidential campaign for them.


The other bellwether was that older voters went for Rs but younger voters broke hard in the direction of Democrats. I read that under 30s went D by 35% and were specifically credited with saving Jon Tester's Senate seat. Older voters vote more reliably but we have two years of attrition before 2020 and younger voters will be more active in Presidential years. Considering the razor thin state margins we saw fuel Trump in 2016 that young voter margin/loss of 4 years of senior voters might be the difference.
you are making too much out of midterms elections. After being the minority party for 2 years, Democrats only had one way to go and that was to gain seats. They have been losing seats and governorships since 2010. American politics is an up and down game and back and forth.

Midterms are about local elections not the Presidency.
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