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Old 11-09-2019, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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I didn't mean to give to you that impression.
I know.
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Old 11-10-2019, 06:59 PM
 
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That's just it, not many Caucus in Iowa because it's a lengthy process so it's not going to take much to get 15% and guess what, YangGang are the most fired up IMO. You can't buy passion and that's what Andrew Yang has.

We got him a plane banner fly over LA for 2 hours and made Jeff Bezos/Amazon pay for it. We've raised money by using Robinhood and it cost us nothing. You think getting a bunch of Iowa YangGang to sit and caucus for hours will be hard? I fully expect Iowa YangGang to bring the passion and get others to join them.

Also watching him signing into the ballot for New Hampshire, you can feel the love. This man is authentic AF. He will be the next president.


https://youtu.be/oR5ZcuPS9lY
Yes I too really believe he'll be our next President -- I just don't know what Yang Gang numbers are like in Iowa...Andrew's said that forty to fifty thousand Iowans are needed out of the 150 to 200 thousand expected to participate in February but I don't know what the distribution available in each district is. Also, given the intimate nature of a small-town caucus, it's possible that folks will have to choose to maintain their communal ties and not be a spoiler holding out in the face of massive opposition.

The path seems to be to place Top Four and win New Hampshire and Nevada with a Top Two in South Carolina and taking California and New York on Super Tuesday (I think Drew will sweep the Democrat South and non-Iowa Heartland).

Hopefully Tulsi will kneecap Warren and Bloomberg will drain the blood out of Biden, ButtiG, and Klob!!
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Old 11-10-2019, 07:03 PM
 
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The Yang Gang is coming to Washington!!
You mean the state?

Is Andrew having another Seattle rally??
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Old 11-10-2019, 07:06 PM
 
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I didn't mean to give to you that impression.
Just curious: why're you spending so much time on an obvious contrarian?

He's clearly one of those folks who just like to appear smart by contradicting whatever is said.
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Old 11-10-2019, 07:18 PM
Status: "It Can't Rain All The Time" (set 26 days ago)
 
Location: North Pacific
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I didn't mean to give to you that impression.
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Just curious: why're you spending so much time on an obvious contrarian?

He's clearly one of those folks who just like to appear smart by contradicting whatever is said.
I just have this thing about misinformation ... when something that is said, like 'andrew yang believes', it's like really? However, I have to give Winterfall8324 points for being articulate in their responses.
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Old 11-10-2019, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Just curious: why're you spending so much time on an obvious contrarian?

He's clearly one of those folks who just like to appear smart by contradicting whatever is said.
I'm not a contrarian, my opposition to UBI politics has existed long before I knew who Yang was.

I don't like contrarians actually.
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Old 11-10-2019, 09:17 PM
Status: "It Can't Rain All The Time" (set 26 days ago)
 
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I'm not a contrarian, my opposition to UBI politics has existed long before I knew who Yang was.

I don't like contrarians actually.
Oh hey ... more info on Finland.

Universal income study finds money for nothing won't make us work less

"There was no difference between the two groups in terms of the number of days in employment in 2017 – both groups worked on average 49 days. The UBI trial group only earned €21 less on average than the control group during 2017."
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Old 11-10-2019, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Oh hey ... more info on Finland.

Universal income study finds money for nothing won't make us work less

"There was no difference between the two groups in terms of the number of days in employment in 2017 – both groups worked on average 49 days. The UBI trial group only earned €21 less on average than the control group during 2017."
From your link:

"but the essence of the idea is to give everyone a guaranteed income that covers their basic needs, like housing and food".

Housing prices are inflated to the point where a $12,000 UBI won't pay for housing, electricity, and irrigation at a investment heavy area (metropolitan area).

If productive labor is an end goal for capitalism, then UBI won't benefit an independent urban population.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47169549

The link above isn't saying people work less with UBI, just that it has no real affect on employment numbers.
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Old 11-10-2019, 10:07 PM
Status: "It Can't Rain All The Time" (set 26 days ago)
 
Location: North Pacific
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From your link:

"but the essence of the idea is to give everyone a guaranteed income that covers their basic needs, like housing and food".

Housing prices are inflated to the point where a $12,000 UBI won't pay for housing, electricity, and irrigation at a investment heavy area (metropolitan area).

If productive labor is an end goal for capitalism, then UBI won't benefit an independent urban population.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47169549

The link above isn't saying people work less with UBI, just that it has no real affect on employment numbers.
I worked as a VISTA and was paid a stipend of $825.00 a month. (imo, all government from city to WH should just get a stipend like that) I rented an upstairs flat for $350.00 two bedroom, nice ... was eligible for EBT and the case worker put me on utility reimbursement as well. Is 1,000.00 a month due able ... I think so, but not in a heavy metro area where they jack up rent prices. For that one would have to get creative like Yang suggested --- 3 adults buy a fixer upper, was a thought.

Also, I'd be interested in how many new start ups were there. I started a cleaning business on $25.00 worked it for 6 years; almost hit pay dirt --- but that's another story. Point here being ... did people open up doughnut shops and pizza parlors?

I haven't seen a study yet that mentions, new small businesses. There's your production, for small communities circular revenue.
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Old 11-10-2019, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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I worked as a VISTA and was paid a stipend of $825.00 a month. (imo, all government from city to WH should just get a stipend like that) I rented an upstairs flat for $350.00 two bedroom, nice ... was eligible for EBT and the case worker put me on utility reimbursement as well. Is 1,000.00 a month due able ... I think so, but not in a heavy metro area where they jack up rent prices. For that one would have to get creative like Yang suggested --- 3 adults buy a fixer upper, was a thought.

Also, I'd be interested in how many new start ups were there. I started a cleaning business on $25.00 worked it for 6 years; almost hit pay dirt --- but that's another story. Point here being ... did people open up doughnut shops and pizza parlors?

I haven't seen a study yet that mentions, new small businesses. There's your production, for small communities circular revenue.
Original ideas like living in shipping containers have the same social problems as using food stamps rather than real money.

I don't care about social anxiety as an appearance so I'd be a hypocrite to say that matters to me, but the point being is that structural innovation for the sake of efficiency like that can lead to many unforeseen consequences.

As for rent: https://www.apartmentlist.com/renton...nal-rent-data/

Prices go up, unless you want to pin UBI to inflation, creative housing plans may work anecdotally, but for a society of over 300 million, its not a large scale solution.
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