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Old 06-07-2019, 11:03 AM
 
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Glengariff surveyed 43% Democrats, 36% Republicans and 19% independents

That's about right. Gallup has Michigan party affiliation polled at 45% D, 39% R.
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Old 06-07-2019, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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Oh my.

All of the Democratic candidates -- even the farthest to the left "socialist" ones -- are ahead of Trump in Michigan.

I can hear it now, "no path to 270", polls were wrong, etc. Well it ain't 2016 no mo'.

https://twitter.com/beardedcrank/sta...32689667907585

Hillary, is that you with your ghetto affectations...again?
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Old 06-07-2019, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Don't worry, none of the Democratic candidates are actually socialists. Universal healthcare, affordable college educations, and a living wage are extensions of government programs we already have. Even if all of these things came to pass we would still be a mixed economy where capitalism is the largest player.
False. Bernie is a self-described socialist. Based on his past associations it appears that he has been a true believer socialist. Pending clarification/denial from him we can assume that he remains so.

The 53-41 advantage of Bernie over Trump is a pipe dream. If Bernie is the nominee, I predict a result similar to McGovern in 1972. He lost 49 states to an unpopular GOP candidate. I'll give Bernie 5 states since Trump is even a worse candidate than Nixon.
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Old 06-07-2019, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I am now a true believer in the "slippery slope" analogy. Dems are really-really good at policy camouflage.
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Old 06-08-2019, 01:25 AM
 
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False. Bernie is a self-described socialist.
Why lie? If you don't like what he stands for argue it, don't lie.

Bernie describes himself no different than 95% or so of politicians. Some of the others lie about who they are.
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Old 06-08-2019, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Socialism isn't a yes or no label, it's a matter of degree. Ole Bern is the most socialistic candidate the dems have and that's just a fact.

Politicians should be defined by their personal beliefs and their legislative successes . Bern has only his rhetoric to define him since he has no legislative wins. So in conclusion, he's a socialist wind bag.
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Old 06-08-2019, 06:30 AM
 
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That's about right. Gallup has Michigan party affiliation polled at 45% D, 39% R.

Pew shows 47D 34R 19D for MI party affiliation


https://www.pewforum.org/religious-l...y-affiliation/
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Old 06-08-2019, 07:43 AM
 
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Socialism isn't a yes or no label, it's a matter of degree. Ole Bern is the most socialistic candidate the dems have and that's just a fact.

Politicians should be defined by their personal beliefs and their legislative successes . Bern has only his rhetoric to define him since he has no legislative wins. So in conclusion, he's a socialist wind bag.
Why is it that seeing that people can access a doctor affordably more socialist than bailing out a business?

Why is it that propping up the poor more socialist than propping up investments?
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Old 06-08-2019, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Why is it that seeing that people can access a doctor affordably more socialist than bailing out a business?

Why is it that propping up the poor more socialist than propping up investments?
You're trying to define my statement though your biased examples. That's what's called a "loaded" question. If you want to control the answers you seek, ask ignorant questions. Good job. Based on your questions... the assumption is: the only thing poor people need in order to succeed, is more government support = mo money, more of my money. That's BS.

Better

How can we make seeing a doctor more affordable?

Better

How can we help those willing to work earn more? without propping up anyone or anything?
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Old 06-08-2019, 08:49 AM
 
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Oh my.

All of the Democratic candidates -- even the farthest to the left "socialist" ones -- are ahead of Trump in Michigan.

I can hear it now, "no path to 270", polls were wrong, etc. Well it ain't 2016 no mo'.

https://twitter.com/beardedcrank/sta...32689667907585

You guys will never learn and you will NEVER understand the Trump base......
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