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Senator Obama currently travels with his US passport. If he were not a US citizen and had in fact renounced his citizenship, he would not have his US passport; nor would he be a senator. (He was first issued a US passport when he was about 6 years old, for his first trip out of the country, to go to Indonesia.)
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Originally Posted by Kooter
I'm not saying that Obama is a terrorist, but many of the terrorist associated with 9/11 had US passports and were considered US citizens when they were not....
Ok i'll check into all this, i'll fly rightaway to hawaii and do some investigating, so who's donating the money for my plane fare, food, lodging, bar bill and other goodies.
If you ever took the Constitution test, it said that if your parent or parents are Americans that makes you automatically a natural born American. Hawaii became a state in the 1950s, Obama was born in the 60s in Hawaii. Obama is a natural born American, end of story, no if nor buts.
Wrong!
After returning to Hawaii and upon turning 18, Obama could possibly have given up his Indonesian citizenship and become a naturalized U.S. citizen, with proper paperwork filed through the U.S. State Department and by swearing an oath of allegiance to the United States. It is believed by many that Obama did not do so.
If Obama did not relinquish his Indonesian citizenship and become a naturalized U.S. citizen, he remains an Indonesian citizen, and has not been a U.S. citizen since moving to Indonesia in 1966 or 1967. Thus, he is ineligible to be President of the United States. (He would also be ineligible to be a U.S. Senator.) Obama's repeated failure to provide documentation to prove he is a U.S. citizen suggests it does not exist, and he is therefore possibly perpetrating a colossal fraud on the 300 million citizens of the United States. Obama may, in fact, be an illegal resident alien, subject to expulsion from the United States Senate, arrest, and deportation to Indonesia.
This is a very serious matter, and Obama could easily provide the necessary documentation to clear it up once and for all, yet he refuses to do so. His refusal is not only troubling, but suggests he has something to hide.
After returning to Hawaii and upon turning 18, Obama could possibly have given up his Indonesian citizenship and become a naturalized U.S. citizen, with proper paperwork filed through the U.S. State Department and by swearing an oath of allegiance to the United States. It is believed by many that Obama did not do so.
If Obama did not relinquish his Indonesian citizenship and become a naturalized U.S. citizen, he remains an Indonesian citizen, and has not been a U.S. citizen since moving to Indonesia in 1966 or 1967. Thus, he is ineligible to be President of the United States. (He would also be ineligible to be a U.S. Senator.) Obama's repeated failure to provide documentation to prove he is a U.S. citizen suggests it does not exist, and he is therefore possibly perpetrating a colossal fraud on the 300 million citizens of the United States. Obama may, in fact, be an illegal resident alien, subject to expulsion from the United States Senate, arrest, and deportation to Indonesia.
This is a very serious matter, and Obama could easily provide the necessary documentation to clear it up once and for all, yet he refuses to do so. His refusal is not only troubling, but suggests he has something to hide.
Your "what he could possibly have done" is fantasy.
Obama now travels with a US Passport. As you acknowledge, he was never naturalized. He has had a US passport since he was about 6. For that passport to have been issued, he had to have been a US citizen. His birth certificate was necessary for that passport to be issued. He has a US Passport now. He is a US citizen. He is a natural born US citizen.
After returning to Hawaii and upon turning 18, Obama could possibly have given up his Indonesian citizenship and become a naturalized U.S. citizen, with proper paperwork filed through the U.S. State Department and by swearing an oath of allegiance to the United States. It is believed by many that Obama did not do so.
Are you bothering to read what I wrote?
Obama could not have given up his U.S. citizenship when he was a child in Indonesia. Unless he explicitly signs a declaration of giving it up or commits treason, then nothing he does causes him to lose his citizenship.
Sections (A) (1) through (A) (4) require one to be at least 18.
Sections (A) (5) and (A) (6) require one to be "making a formal renunciation of nationality before (an) officer of the United States"
Section (A) (7) requires one to be tried and convicted of treason or other such things.
Please, Kooter, really. And, as I have noted at least twice before, even Indonesian law would have required Obama to be there one more year for his citizenship to change.
Let's say the truth comes out one way or the other just before election. if its proven he is a US citizen would anybody change their minds and vote for him? If he isn't, or at least not eleigible to be President, would anybody change their minds in your vote for him?
I'm in the camp that has serious doubts there may be something fishy here and Obama has done nothing to dispel these concerns. But if they are untrue, I'd say I was wrong and let it drop. I wouldn't vote for Obama, but I'd be less suspicious of him.
But if they are true, would anybody still vote for the guy? Would you feel used and treated like a fool and would translate to you just not voting or would you still give him a vote as a protest? Or would you vote for McCain as a message?
Let's say the truth comes out one way or the other just before election. if its proven he is a US citizen would anybody change their minds and vote for him? If he isn't, or at least not eleigible to be President, would anybody change their minds in your vote for him?
I'm in the camp that has serious doubts there may be something fishy here and Obama has done nothing to dispel these concerns. But if they are untrue, I'd say I was wrong and let it drop. I wouldn't vote for Obama, but I'd be less suspicious of him.
But if they are true, would anybody still vote for the guy? Would you feel used and treated like a fool and would translate to you just not voting or would you still give him a vote as a protest? Or would you vote for McCain as a message?
Probably very few people would change their mind. But that just shows how Americans have changed over the years. If someone with Obama's shady and mysterious background had run for President years ago he never would have even been considered a serious candidate. The American people would have never put up with such shenanigans. Pretty sad for our future! I think we will all pay very dearly for it if Obama becomes President...
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