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The burden of proof is always on the plaintiff. There is a lot of troubling information surrounding Obama's real birthplace, but nothing thus far that a judge would consider adequate proof. If something like the tape of Obama's grandmother admitting being present when Barack was delivered actually exists it "might" be enough for a judge to allow the suit to go forward...but until that, or some similar proof, becomes available Obama and the DNC can forget about having to prove Obama is eligible to be President. My guess is that something will turn up that will be enough proof for a judge to allow the suit. Then we will see, once and for all, if Obama will offer the proof many people seek or fight against it. However, if Obama wins the Presidential election and is sworn-in Obama will almost certainly use executive immunity and his executive privilege to prevent discovery. We may not ever find out the real truth if he is unwilling to help.
None of the judgments so far have had anything to do with "enough proof," Kooter. I would love to be able to say that the judges had ruled that there was insufficient proof, but that is not the case.
Your man, Berg, could walk in with both of Obama's grandmothers, both prepared to testify in court that Obama was not born in the U.S. and it would still not have changed either decision - the state or federal. The state's was decided on the merits of the case - which had only to do with the actual job of the Sec'y of State - and not about Obama, at all. The federal was about standing - the Judge's decision included the presumption (for the sake of argument) that everything Berg argued about facts were correct.
As for all the questions and the real truth, again:
1) All of the "questionable things" are at the level of hearsay and rumor. No evidence has been presented.
For example, again, do we have tape or transcript? It's now 5 days since Berg claimed to have them. Please tell me what evidence there is that he was born in Kenya. Not rumor. Not hearsay. Not reports. Not "I hear..." EVIDENCE.
2) It is not that "we may not ever find out know the real truth." It is more that "we" may not ever accept that the real truth is already known and demonstrated. Occam's Razor really would seem to apply here.
Can you prove that you did not try to rob Fort Knox?
Well if refusal for a judge to look at the facts of the case makes him smarter, then I guess we should just close all the schools down and send the kids home. And I can't praise God when we are about to elect a man who supports abortion on every level. He even voted four times to make it illegal to try and save a child that survives a botched abortion. Obama believes rights are more important than a childs life. Even children outside of the mother do not have a chance under this man. He lacks the kind of christian compassion that one would expect to see if he really knew God.
Exactly! Like you say, Obama is incredibly pro-abortion under any and all circumstances and he is anti-gun on every level. ON both issues, he keeps trying to lie and trick people into believing he is a "moderate" on the issues, which Obama's thin record clearly shows he is lying about his real stances.
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Originally Posted by smd1998
Agreed!
There is not ONE SINGLE piece of evidence showing he was born at all.
Other then a fake BC that was photo shopped from his sisters BC.
Why not just show it?
There are records in Kenya showing he was born in Kenya and guess what, Obama and his thugs shut them down in Kenya also when Corsi was there looking around. What did the Obots thugs do, they forced Corsi to leave so he would not find anything.
This is beginning to look more like communism every day.
The Obots have stopped any and all access to any and all records of Obots past. This is control, this is not freedom and this is not right.
Obama has defrauded America and even the Obots know it. They are part of the problem.
Corsi was about to un-earth the documents to show Obama was born in Africa or at least that Obama was involved knee-deep with Islamist Odainga, who is responsible for genocide and religious cleansing in Kenya.
The Odinga supporters booted Corsi out for this very reason. The truth will eventually come out, I am sure.
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Originally Posted by 3~Shepherds
Sounds like Obama and HIS SUPPORTERS are willing to give of FREEDOM of SPEECH and shutting down anything or anyone who doesn't see it their way!!!
Don't ask Obama or Biden a REAL question or you will be kicked out.....How do you support someone who's obvious agenda is to stop Freedom of Speech or if it isn't his view point it's "RACIST", Obama is not for Americans, he is going to change Americans, we will be looking like Europe in 4 years!!!! Florida Anchorwoman Knows a Marxist When She Sees One...........The Obama campaign pulled the plug on a Florida news station’s access to Obama, after WFTV-Channel 9 anchorwoman’s interview with VP candidate.
Obama is a Marxist, if not a quasi-Communist. I have little doubts of that.
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Originally Posted by Kooter
I see that a Washington State Judge threw out [another] lawsuit against Obama.
Here is the thing: If Obama truly was born in Hawaii, why not produce a original copy of his brith certificate or why not head to Hawaii and get his hospital birth records??
A Motion to Produce would force Obama to produce such documents. The judges keep tossing out the lawsuits so that we don't get to Discovery, when each side gets to request documents from the other side.
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Originally Posted by Kooter
You don't have to do that! Per Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (failure to respond within 30 days) Obama and the DNC technically admitted to all allegations made against them.
You are correct. In Federal Court (and in 90% of state courts), when you send out a Request for Admissions, a key part of discovery, if you do not respond within 30 days (20 days in some states), it is all deemed "Admitted".
I am gonna attack a sample of that here for you guys to see what it looks like.
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You are correct! I am not willing to accept it simply because there are so many questionable things pertaining to where he was actually born.
I would like to point out something else here: Even IF Obama was indeed born in Hawaii, he may have lost his US Citizenship by accepting Indonesian citizenship. At the time, Indonesia did NOT recognize dual-citizenship, thus prompting B. Hussein to renouce his US Citizenship. That is how that works.
If that is the case, Obama would be here illegally in the USA today. He could possibly be eligible for the Presidency based on birth in Hawaii if he re-gained his US Citizenship. But if he lost his citizenship and was never re-patriated, then he is an illegal alien subject to criminal charges for impersonating a US Citizen and subject to detention and deportation.
Honestly, I have more confidence he lost his citizenship than that he wasn't born in Hawaii. But anything is possible with someone who is a deceitful as B. Hussein.
I would like to point out something else here: Even IF Obama was indeed born in Hawaii, he may have lost his US Citizenship by accepting Indonesian citizenship. At the time, Indonesia did NOT recognize dual-citizenship, thus prompting B. Hussein to renouce his US Citizenship. That is how that works.
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That is how that works.
You think that the US Government allows another government to decide matters of American citizenship?
NO laws passed by foreign governments have ANY impact on the US Government's determination of American citizenship, nor should they.
If that is the case, Obama would be here illegally in the USA today. He could possibly be eligible for the Presidency based on birth in Hawaii if he re-gained his US Citizenship. But if he lost his citizenship and was never re-patriated, then he is an illegal alien subject to criminal charges for impersonating a US Citizen and subject to detention and deportation.
Honestly, I have more confidence he lost his citizenship than that he wasn't born in Hawaii. But anything is possible with someone who is a deceitful as B. Hussein.
Senator Obama currently travels with his US passport. If he were not a US citizen and had in fact renounced his citizenship, he would not have his US passport; nor would he be a senator. (He was first issued a US passport when he was about 6 years old, for his first trip out of the country, to go to Indonesia.)
Senator Obama currently travels with his US passport. If he were not a US citizen and had in fact renounced his citizenship, he would not have his US passport; nor would he be a senator.
I'm not saying that Obama is a terrorist, but many of the terrorist associated with 9/11 had US passports and were considered US citizens when they were not....
I'm not saying that Obama is a terrorist, but many of the terrorist associated with 9/11 had US passports and were considered US citizens when they were not....
Corsi was about to un-earth the documents to show Obama was born in Africa or at least that Obama was involved knee-deep with Islamist Odainga, who is responsible for genocide and religious cleansing in Kenya.
The Odinga supporters booted Corsi out for this very reason. The truth will eventually come out, I am sure.
I don't mind folks' expressing their opinions, I really don't.
I do object to it when they make false claims of fact.
1) Corsi's own report of his activities indicates his visit was unrelated to Obama's birth.
2) Corsi's own report (as previously postedm but here it is, again: Corsi releases statement blocked by Kenya) explains the full extent of Obama's connections to Odainga. And I quote:
"Senator Barack Obama and Prime Minister Raila Odinga have been in direct contact since Senator Obama's visit to Kenya in 2006."
and
"Senator Obama has advised Raila Odinga on campaign strategy and helped Raila Odinga raise money in the United States for Raila Odinga's presidential campaign in Kenya."
and
"Sen. Obama remained in active phone contact with Odinga, through the New Hampshire Democratic Party primary in January..."
If this is "knee deep," I'll take it. And that's taking Corsi at his word, which is a stretch at best.
3) Corsi had already finished his investigations. He was scheduled to leave that night for London and, in fact, went out as scheduled. He was prevented from giving a press conference, but he was permitted to wander the airport, with guard.
4) Corsi, in the press release linked above, promised to "be substantiating these charges on WorldNetDaily" through election day. On the 14th, 3 days prior to this press release's publication, he published a story about #2. That and the press release are it in the 3 weeks since he wrote the press release he was stopped from delivering.
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Originally Posted by Fun2Day
Obama is a Marxist, if not a quasi-Communist. I have little doubts of that.
*sigh* If you understood Marxism better, you would have a lot of doubt about it. Among other things, the health plan he's proposed is pretty much the same as the one in Massachusetts created by that well known Marxist, Mitt Romney. Hillary's plan was more socialist, but even it fell far short of a Marxist approach.
[quote=Fun2Day;5896017]Here is the thing: If Obama truly was born in Hawaii, why not produce a original copy of his brith certificate or why not head to Hawaii and get his hospital birth records?? [quote]
Dealt with ad nauseum.
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Originally Posted by Fun2Day
A Motion to Produce would force Obama to produce such documents. The judges keep tossing out the lawsuits so that we don't get to Discovery, when each side gets to request documents from the other side.
Yeah. A real pity about those judges heeding the law and all that, huh?
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Originally Posted by Fun2Day
You are correct. In Federal Court (and in 90% of state courts), when you send out a Request for Admissions, a key part of discovery, if you do not respond within 30 days (20 days in some states), it is all deemed "Admitted".
The motion to dismiss was filed prior to the 30 days and constitutes a response to the complaint. Therefore, the rest of what you wrote is moot.
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Originally Posted by Fun2Day
I would like to point out something else here: Even IF Obama was indeed born in Hawaii, he may have lost his US Citizenship by accepting Indonesian citizenship. At the time, Indonesia did NOT recognize dual-citizenship, thus prompting B. Hussein to renouce his US Citizenship. That is how that works.
No, it isn't. This ignores both Indonesian law and U.S. Law. Indonesian law required one to be in the country a year longer than Obama was for citizenship to kick in. But that doesn't really matter, because U.S. law does not allow other countries to dictate what our citizenship requirements are or are not.
U.S.C. Title 8 § 1481
(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—
(1) ...after having attained the age of eighteen years; or (2) ...after having attained the age of eighteen years; or
(3) ...after attaining the age of eighteen years
(4) (A) ...after attaining the age of eighteen years
(4) (B) ...after attaining the age of eighteen years
(5) making a formal renunciation of nationality before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state...; or
(6) making in the United States a formal written renunciation of nationality...; or
(7) committing any act of treason against, or attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States... if and when he is convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction.
Did any of those things occur? No? I didn't think so.
Reading the law makes these things ever so much clearer. Oh, and before you ask, the basic code for when he was a kid was similarly inclined.
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Originally Posted by Fun2Day
Honestly, I have more confidence he lost his citizenship than that he wasn't born in Hawaii. But anything is possible with someone who is a deceitful as B. Hussein.
You suggest he is deceitful? You who promulgate false attacks without bothering to check the facts?
The hypocrisy should astound me, but unfortunately, it has good and sufficient reason not to.
If the McCain campaign put all of their money into airing that clip on all television networks for the week remaining until November 4, they'd do better than with anything else they've tried. It shows McCain in better light than anything they've done. As an aside, it shows that McCain, as well as all people who are knowledgeable about US law, knows that Senator Obama is a citizen (and since the argument has never been offered that he is a naturalized citizen, prima facie he's a natural born citizen).
I'm not saying that Obama is a terrorist, but many of the terrorist associated with 9/11 had US passports and were considered US citizens when they were not....
How many internet myths can a person swallow in a single sitting?
Give me a break.
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