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I don't know...if my city were hit by a hurricane I think I would be thankful that I was alive and that there were people helping me to evacuate to the Superdome or wherever. There were people sending food, clothes, money, the Red Cross was there, FEMA was arranging for housing for the people as fast as they could (like I said, my brother was scheduled to leave on a cruise ship from NO and his trip was canceled because FEMA rented out the cruise ship to house Katrina victims on and they also were paying for every other form of shelter they could find to put victims in). Sometimes terrible things happen. Sometimes things can't be prevented. Sometimes people die. That doesn't make it the president's fault. When cities are wiped out by a tornado I don't hear people blaming in the president. I didn't hear the rest of the gulf coast blaming the president. I think you hate Bush so you will use anything you can to portray him in a bad light, paint him as uncaring, etc. And I don't think that's true at all.
I agree that a lot of this is just blind Bush hate, but I think the fact that these were mostly blacks who refused to leave N.O. while they still had time to do so safely triggered a liberal Pavlovian knee-jerk response to accuse any whites involved, no matter how insignificantly, with racist motivations as a simple matter of form.
Funny - I have exactly the same opinion of your feelings towards Obama - only your disdain for him starts before he is even sworn into office. Just a minor point you gloss over..
At least my disdain for Bush is based on 8 long years of horrendous leadership by the worst president of my lifetime - one who came very close to absolutely crushing our economy and throwing us into another Great Depression, and who has done tremendous damage to our world standing.
And I even voted for Bush in 2000... what a mistake that turned out to be...
"came very close to absolutely crushing our economy and throwing us into another Great Depression"
lets face it, they are mad Obama is looking at people with experience and track record from an administraton who balanced the budget, sat over the largest economic boom in history and didnt hyper inflate the national debt unlike Bush, Regan, and Bush Sr. They would rather Obama work with those people? Or do like Jimmy did and not have people with experience with him, only to see Obama FAIL. These types want him to fail, want America to fail all because their team lost the game. Sorry but you guys need to grow up and stop wishing for the USA to fail, if Obama feels he is looking at the BEST he will pick them, and I as someone who voted for him (unlike these haters) support it. None of us didnt think he wouldn't pick fellow DEMS and even people from Clinton, in fact we are OVERJOYED he is doing so and really expected it!
Bill Clinton came into office with an economy already into full recovery which was a real problem for him because he ran on the poor economy.
Historical Income Tables - People (http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/histinc/p01AR.html - broken link)
If it recovered without his help, it would be obvious that he didn't cause it to recover. So Clinton went to the Democrat Congress and begged for a stimulus package that we didn't need. The public saw it for what it was (political payoff to big city mayors for getting his vote out) and his own Democratically controlled Congress wouldn't pass it.
"Later, Clinton unleashed his fury. 'I'm never going to be so vulnerable again', he asserted. 'That bill had too much pork in it', he said"
In the two years between Cinton's inauguration and the Republican Revolution personal income increased an average of $490/yr. ($156/yr Carter average) which is simply not that impressive considering the recession had peaked under GHWB late in '91. In fact, after recovering through late '91 and all of '92, the economy was right back in the stink bucket in '93 due to a lack of consumer confidence brought about by the Clinton tax increase that raised taxes on individuals making as little as $20,000/yr from 11% to 15%. Consumer confidence would remain low until the elections of '94 that brought in the Republican House and Senate.
Following the Republican's take over of the House and Senate in '95 and until the end of Clinton's presidency, individual incomes rose by and average of $769/yr. led by strong consumer confidence based on tax rate reductions and spending reductions that the Republican controlled Congress had to shut down the government to get. But in the end, it was well worth it because "pay-go" was working and we finally had a balanced budget per the Contract with America. Practically every single reform that Newt Gingrich and the Republican Revolution initiated was opposed by the White House until they worked. Then Clinton took credit for the effects of the policies he fought against.
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Obama is just cutting and pasting from the Clinton administration, including lobbyists. Change. Yeah right. If we were just going to have the Clinton administration again, why do we need Obama? Should have just elected Hillary.
Obama quote regarding lobbyists: "They will not work in my White House and they will not drown out the voice of the American people." Right.
The whole thing is a ruse.
Hussein has picked THE most partisan people, all the Washington insiders, and hardcore left-wingers for his cabinets and appointments.
Hussein is yet another hardcore, Washington insider partisan, who is extremely far left.
It is no surprise that he was elected. Americans have been totally tricked and are incredibly un-informed.
Shows what you know, or better, what MSNBC and your college professors have told you that you believe. Bill Clinton came into office with an economy already into full recovery which was a real problem for him because he ran on the poor economy.
Nothing New like when you people called Clinton, Jimmy Carter when he won too.
That is why everyone is complaining Obama is hiring some Clinton people, they
want him to fail and hire in people that dont have experience, not happening.
So the first video says at the end, Obama did not vote on that.
Try again.. This all started back with Reagan and his de-regulation frenzy.
But maybe you were not old enough to remember the first S&L scandals
Shows what you know, or better, what MSNBC and your college professors have told you that you believe
First off Reagan and Bush Sr had us in recession AND drove the national debt up massively.... Unlike Clinton. Reagan can in no way take claim to the Clinton Years success as you suggest, Reagan was an out of control hooligan spending massive amounts on his arms race. While waging war on the homeless and middle class.
about you assuming Im young and didnt live these times, you are wrong.
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Clinton is elected in the fall of 1992 and CC takes off. By Febraury of 1993, the public is aware that the tax reductions he promised in the campaign will be tax increases on individuals earning as little as $20K/yr. The numbers fall off in predictable fashion.
By MICHAEL KELLY,
Published: February 18, 1993
"In selling his economic plan, President Clinton is gambling that voters never took seriously his campaign promise to lower the tax burden of the middle class and will respond favorably to an aggressive pitch based on equal measures of hope, fear and class revenge."
After the government is shut down in late 1995 and early 1996, consumers begin to put confidence in the Republican Congress's ability to overcome Clinton's opposition to the reforms promised in the Contract with America.
By February of 1996, CC begins to rise again and continues a positive trend through 2000.
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If we were just going to have the Clinton administration again, why do we need Obama? Should have just elected Hillary.
