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I own 17 working firearms and shoot regularly, I worked as a gunsmith for 3-1/2 years. and I have bought and sold probably @400 assorted personal guns in my 56 years. Most of the guns I have on hand now are registered. I have absolutely nothing to hide.
I also do not care to be a victim of scare tactics. If I did, I would have listened to all the shrill voices in my monthly copy of "American Hunter" that comes with my NRA membership. Anyone who makes you angry or afraid controls you. I am quite capable of thinking for myself.
That is also why I rejected the fear that was peddled by the Bush Administration from 9/11 onward. Scared people make good sheep.
I also supported Obama and voted for him, completely unafraid of the consequences. I am not a one-issue voter, and Obama was to me obviously the far superior candidate to lead America out of the Bush-induced wilderness.
There is no reason for hysteria. Thre are about as many guns in America today as there are people. They are not going away in your lifetime or mine.
At my local gun store during the gun buying rush after the election the owner was asking "Who did you vote for?" Anyone who voted Nobama was asked to leave. You should have heard the cheers! Wonder what would happen if you let your gun bud's know you are a turncoat? Try it and see what happens the next time you visit the range/store. Let us know how that goes will ya!
And yes I am here to refute the ID10T's who can only respond with emotion and no facts. I noticed one poster even suggested I spun the facts to make it sound scary. EXCUSE THE HECK OUT OF ME BUT all those murders happened, it can't be denied. Folks like me just want to make sure it can't happen in the US. If you want to be a sheep, go for it!
It's only your life, maybe your kids, the spouse, but that's OK right?
Check out today's Saint Louis Post Dispatch...the headline..."Alderman to citizens: Arm yourselves now!" At least someone out there in Government has a clue.
Why are you dims such bitter winners?
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At my local gun store during the gun buying rush after the election the owner was asking "Who did you vote for?" Anyone who voted Nobama was asked to leave. You should have heard the cheers!
At Jensen Arms in Loveland, CO there is a sign on the door. "If you voted for Obama, take your business elsewhere." Gotta love it.
Comrade Bush has put all the machinery in place to control the country.
Got your papers?
Don't leave home without your government issued I.D.
What rights, freedoms or priviliges have you lost under Bush? Its Obama who is promising a state security force much like the East German Stasi.
This is what the 20,000 troops are for:
Quote:
The U.S. military expects to have 20,000 uniformed troops inside the United States by 2011 trained to help state and local officials respond to a nuclear terrorist attack or other domestic catastrophe, according to Pentagon officials.
I am a Democrat, an Obama supporter and economic Socialist that is far to the left of most of the posters on this forum. I am also a gun owner. I will always be a gun owner. I believe very strongly in my right as a human being to have any firearm I think necessary for the defense of myself and my family from any enemy criminal or not. If the government decides to legally or illegally confiscate my guns I will only surrender the guns that have been registered somewhere. The unregistered guns will stay. When it comes to my personal safety there is only one LAW and that is be at all times armed.
I have spoken with Mr. Obama about this issue (one of the primary advantages of living in New Hampshire is you can actually ask candidates direct questions) and his response was to say "We don't want your guns but we have to control the gangs." I responded with "Enforce the law. Control the gangs. There are plenty of laws on the books about committing crimes with guns." His response was, "You're right."
I do not fear this administration reducing anyone’s right to whatever firearms they want but I do fear a right wing coup-de-ta seizing the government to prevent any kind of populist reform.
I have spoken with Mr. Obama about this issue (one of the primary advantages of living in New Hampshire is you can actually ask candidates direct questions) and his response was to say "We don't want your guns but we have to control the gangs." I responded with "Enforce the law. Control the gangs. There are plenty of laws on the books about committing crimes with guns." His response was, "You're right."
I do not fear this administration reducing anyone’s right to whatever firearms they want but I do fear a right wing coup-de-ta seizing the government to prevent any kind of populist reform.
I hope you are right. Obama's voting record and rhetoric prior to the campaign says otherwise. He's a smart guy though, and he may have learned that more gun control laws are political suicide. The AWB sunseted, and then we got Heller, so the trend is for law abiding citizens to still be able to own guns.
I like what you said to Obama about enforcing the laws. I am polarly opposite to you politically, but glad we can agree on legal gun ownership. Thanks for that.
I am a Democrat, an Obama supporter and economic Socialist that is far to the left of most of the posters on this forum. I am also a gun owner. I will always be a gun owner. I believe very strongly in my right as a human being to have any firearm I think necessary for the defense of myself and my family from any enemy criminal or not. If the government decides to legally or illegally confiscate my guns I will only surrender the guns that have been registered somewhere. The unregistered guns will stay. When it comes to my personal safety there is only one LAW and that is be at all times armed.
I have spoken with Mr. Obama about this issue (one of the primary advantages of living in New Hampshire is you can actually ask candidates direct questions) and his response was to say "We don't want your guns but we have to control the gangs." I responded with "Enforce the law. Control the gangs. There are plenty of laws on the books about committing crimes with guns." His response was, "You're right."
I do not fear this administration reducing anyone’s right to whatever firearms they want but I do fear a right wing coup-de-ta seizing the government to prevent any kind of populist reform.
I'll be damned, a reasonable democrat, I was starting to doubt any existed.
I disagree that they don't want to disarm us but ultimately they can't. I have many, only 2 are registered. The rest fell into the lake some years ago. I know many who were in the same boat.
What is amazing to me is that some people think that if ordered to turn them in the bad guys will be in line with the rest of us to do so. How can anyone think that would actually happen?
I am a Democrat, an Obama supporter and economic Socialist that is far to the left of most of the posters on this forum. I am also a gun owner. I will always be a gun owner. I believe very strongly in my right as a human being to have any firearm I think necessary for the defense of myself and my family from any enemy criminal or not. If the government decides to legally or illegally confiscate my guns I will only surrender the guns that have been registered somewhere. The unregistered guns will stay. When it comes to my personal safety there is only one LAW and that is be at all times armed.
I have spoken with Mr. Obama about this issue (one of the primary advantages of living in New Hampshire is you can actually ask candidates direct questions) and his response was to say "We don't want your guns but we have to control the gangs." I responded with "Enforce the law. Control the gangs. There are plenty of laws on the books about committing crimes with guns." His response was, "You're right."
I do not fear this administration reducing anyone’s right to whatever firearms they want but I do fear a right wing coup-de-ta seizing the government to prevent any kind of populist reform.
WTF - I did not see that coming from you. Like the evil Darth Vadar, there is still good in you somewhere. Renounce the Dark Side. There is still hope!
Thank you for your consideration. I think we all desire a free society with out any government coercion beside laws that try to prevent our harming each other or, at least, define what is considered harm.
I think we primarily disagree on economic matters. I also think we agree that free markets operating without coercion or market manipulations that distort the market generally in favor of the people with the money. These distortions are the reason I am a Socialist. IMHO the business restrictions inherent in a socialist agenda are required to prevent individual, or groups of, businesses gaining enough economic power to distort the prices of either their suppliers (Wal-Mart) or their customers (OPEC). Conservatives seem to think that markets are self regulating but thousands of years of experience have shown that free markets are eliminated by business as rapidly as possible. Recent “bailouts” have shown just how much business has infested government with the idea that some firms “are to big to be allowed to fail”. Not true because a properly functioning market would have prevented the existence of these giants.
I am also an egalitarian in that I believe that individual talent is not distributed by “race, creed or color” or wealth of your parents. This is why I strongly support government spending on universal education and oppose class protecting things like legacy admissions. Let the children of the plutocrats compete directly on talent not their choice of parents. I also believe that universal health care systems need to be implemented because disease also does not follow financial success except in a negative manner. The wealthy generally have the time and inclination to take care of their health while the poor do not have the money or the time to do so. When you are close to destitute making money for food and shelter (survival) trumps going to the doctor.
My attitude about self defense has already been stated. I believe that self defense, including armed and unarmed, should be taught as part of high school athletics. Then again I think public schools should teach lots of things that families either don’t know (we can just put the new TV on a credit card) or don’t want kids to know (do that and she may (will) get pregnant).
If he puts the 20,000 troops on our southern border, then good for Obama.
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