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Old 05-19-2010, 09:03 AM
 
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Oh my, more spin.

Obama campaigned for Specter, ran radio and TV ads for him, proclaimed he lurved Specter, implored the "base" to get out and vote for Specter, cranked up the machine to get out the vote for Specter, sent Biden there to campaign on more than one occasion, spent a LOT of money on ads for Specter.

Only when it became clear that Specter was tanking, did obama abandon him.

They really didn't want obama pinned to ANOTHER election loss - think VA, NJ, MA...now ad PA to that.

Sen. Arlen Specter's primary loss continues bad 2010 for President Obama, Democrats
Oh? So since Sestak is more left leaning than Specter, you're saying Obama should move further to the left as well? Sestak was even in favor of the public option (imagine that!). And here I thought you were complaining that Obama is a communist.

Listen, you're all over the map. Your analysis has zero credibility.
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Old 05-19-2010, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Aloha, Oregon
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Originally Posted by sanrene View Post
Oh my, more spin.

Obama campaigned for Specter, ran radio and TV ads for him, proclaimed he lurved Specter, implored the "base" to get out and vote for Specter, cranked up the machine to get out the vote for Specter, sent Biden there to campaign on more than one occasion, spent a LOT of money on ads for Specter.

Only when it became clear that Specter was tanking, did obama abandon him.

They really didn't want obama pinned to ANOTHER election loss - think VA, NJ, MA...now ad PA to that.

Sen. Arlen Specter's primary loss continues bad 2010 for President Obama, Democrats
Who's spinning here? Spector was the established Democrat in the seat so Obama had to support him.
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Old 05-19-2010, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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No, you are. The people in PA obviously do not like Specter, cut and dry. I think yesterday showed, the people in the country are tired of politics as ususal and will do almost anything to see things change. This will show at the polls in Nov and possibly carry trough to 2012. Of course a lot can happen between now and 2 plus years.

Nita

Sestak is more liberal than Specter, he ran to his left and won. This was about the base voting for the more liberal of the two candidates.
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Old 05-19-2010, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Oh my, more spin.

Obama campaigned for Specter, ran radio and TV ads for him, proclaimed he lurved Specter, implored the "base" to get out and vote for Specter, cranked up the machine to get out the vote for Specter, sent Biden there to campaign on more than one occasion, spent a LOT of money on ads for Specter.

Only when it became clear that Specter was tanking, did obama abandon him.

They really didn't want obama pinned to ANOTHER election loss - think VA, NJ, MA...now ad PA to that.

Sen. Arlen Specter's primary loss continues bad 2010 for President Obama, Democrats

Yes and Specter's loss had nothing to do with Obama. In fact some people are blaming the White House for not getting involved enough. Specter's loss was about the base of the Democratic Party voting for the more liberal candidate in Sestak.
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Old 05-19-2010, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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Guess Specter can now join the throngs of citizens in the unemployment line. Adios Specter, enjoy your (forced) retirement.
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Old 05-19-2010, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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I'm surprised Republicans are celebrating this. Sestak is more liberal than Specter, and the stronger General Election candidate as well.
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Old 05-19-2010, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Who's spinning here? Spector was the established Democrat in the seat so Obama had to support him.
Well, everyone knows he's not a "real" democrat.

I imagine most people, whether dems or reps, don't appreciate turncoats like Specter. No way were the dems going to trust him, even though obama begged them to and expended a lot of political capital for him.

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Old 05-19-2010, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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I'm surprised Republicans are celebrating this. Sestak is more liberal than Specter, and the stronger General Election candidate as well.
Well now, that really doesn't fly with your spin on the "conservative" districts in PA, the ones you claimED are republican, the ones you claimED were tilting republican, even the whole state could be considered a swing state (even though it's been blue for 20 years).

How in the world can a "red" state (just got that way overnight) not vote for the more conservative candidate?

See, you're twisting in the wind with this "analysis", depending on if a R should have won in a democrat district, but now you say the more liberal senate candidate has the better shot.

Nice contorted, pretzel logic.
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Old 05-19-2010, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Exactly. Because voters are more left than Obama is.

Are you sure you want to go here???????
Primary voters are more Left. It is a known fact that primaries generally bring out the far left and right of the parties. The general election voters are another story.
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Old 05-19-2010, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Well now, that really doesn't fly with your spin on the "conservative" districts in PA, the ones you claimED are republican, the ones you claimED were tilting republican, even the whole state could be considered a swing state (even though it's been blue for 20 years).

How in the world can a "red" state (just got that way overnight) not vote for the more conservative candidate?

See, you're twisting in the wind with this "analysis", depending on if a R should have won in a democrat district, but now you say the more liberal senate candidate has the better shot.

Nice contorted, pretzel logic.

What part of certain Congressional Districts do not = the entire state don't you grasp??

I have stated parts of the state have gotten more Republican, specifically talking about some of the rural and Appalachia areas out west. I have also said that other portions of the state have become more liberal and trended Democratic, especially suburban Philly. Overall due to the heavier population in the SE, combined with that part of the state growing meanwhile the Appalachia areas have lost population, the state as a whole has moved a bit left. The state being further left does not mean that other portions of the state have not swung Republican.
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