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you know, when a government start to mandate a single language where there used to be two or many...you know that a nationalist strain is rapidly evolving, and this generally turns out badly. I think those in the western media will be in for a shock when these "Maidan" fascists start beating/killing ethnic Russians who are living in the eastern part of the country.
These threats have been already issued, so- called "train of friendship" has been promised to be sent to Crimea by radicals in order to prevent "any attempt to split the country."
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Once the local governments in the east start requesting aid from Russia to restore order, Putin will happily oblige.
I am not sure whether Putin will "happily oblige" or he'd rather avoid this situation all together, but Sebastopol is already openly asking for Russia's protection once everyone realized what this newly-issued law about language was all about.
And this is what's going on in Donezk;
Ukraine will then be split into two. This law to make one Ukrainian language will be the start of Ukraine's breakup.
Those who are instigating all these nationalist initiatives do not understand, apparently, that Ukraine in its current borders has been created by three men - Lenin, Stalin and Khrushev.
These *geniuses* ( the nationalists) do not remember that already back in the 1919 the Eastern regions of Ukraine wanted to join Russia, and it was Lenin who declined this request, because without these (traditionally industrial) regions he said, Ukraine wouldn't be able to build its industrial base.
I shouldn't remind what year Stalin added Western parts of Ukraine to the republic, and of course it was Khrushev who transferred Russian Crimea to Ukraine.
So the naive people who think that close ties between Eastern Ukraine and Russia are the result of relatively recent "Soviet policies" are dead wrong, and those who are saying that "Ukraine belongs in EU" don't know what they are asking for, when they point at Eastern part of it in particular.
And before anyone will start talking about "forceful russification of Ukraine in Soviet times," they should be aware of couple of millions of Ukrainians who moved to Russia before any revolution even took place. (That's in the beginning of the 19th century only, and who knows how many of them migrated there earlier.)
So as I've said - whoever say that "Ukraine belongs in EU" don't really know what pandora box they are opening.
And what about the snipers killing unarmed protesters? Some said they were sent there from the Kremlin. That wouldn't surprise me. Killing is not anything unfamiliar to Putin.
A good way to cover its tracks is to throw the switch to another. Someone who sent the snipers will say they were sent by Kremlin. It's so simple.
What Ukraine now needs is a group of smart leaders who will focus on the economy, nevermind the BS about Democracy and freedom, which are just bullcrap designed to fool the gullible young people.
Look at where China is today...do you think its economy would have grown 55 times from what it was in 1989 if Deng didn't make the hard decisions, and instead allowed China to be "democratized"?
Ukraine has been subject to "Polonization" and "Russification" throughout the centuries. I don't think they have been masters of their own house for any length of time throughout history.
Wow, just watching ABC talking about how corrupt Ukraine is, and how these protesters are the young educated elite who want to be more like Europe and the US bla bla bla....It's amazing how American media can twist something very complicated into "us vs Them", "good vs Bad"...all the while brainwashing lazy, overweight and barely educated Middle America to support the western narrative. The propaganda technique is so amazingly efficient.
You're right. Unfortunately, many american people are still easily swallowing such primitive propaganda even without chewing.
hundreds, but that was totally worth it.
If not for Deng's quick and tough decision, China wouldn't have its prosperity today. Looking back, it was absolutely the right decision to crush the protest and maintain social stability.
People die from these kinds of social unrest, get over it.
In our country there is no money, we can't repay internal debts...
Judging by the first law of your new rulers, the russian language ban in Ukraine is most important then economics of your country.
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We bought gas in Russia very expensively..
Gosh! You wanted capitalism - you got it! Nobody will sell their gas and oil for the price that much below of the world market price. You are free to associate with the EU, but you will get a regular european price. And there is no dumping price for gas in EU. Russia won't give Ukraine a "special discount". Why Russia must do it? No more ukrainian "халява" at this point.
But you are also free to associate with Russia and you will get a local price for the oil/gas then.
Judging by the first law of your new rulers, the russian language ban in Ukraine is most important then economics of your country.
Do not mislead - at Authority of Yanukovich Russian language has received advantages before a Ukranian language, now these advantages are cancelled.
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Gosh! You wanted capitalism - you got it! Nobody will sell their gas and oil for the price that much below of the world market price. You are free to associate with the EU, but you will get a regular european price. And there is no dumping price for gas in EU. Russia won't give Ukraine a "special discount". Why Russia must do it? No more ukrainian "халява" at this point.
You do not own a situation - Ukraine received Russian gas more expensively, than Germany, and as a result Ukraine begin to purchase the Russian gas from Germany, that has caused considerable butthurt in ' capitalist ' Russia
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But you are also free to associate with Russia and you will get a local price for the oil/gas then.
If not for Deng's quick and tough decision, China wouldn't have its prosperity today. Looking back, it was absolutely the right decision to crush the protest and maintain social stability..
And one more right decision of the Chinese goverment was - they didn't care how the western world accused them of violating the human rights, non-democracy etc. Otherwise, China wouldn't be so good now.
Nowadays, both the US and the EU don't want to see Russia as a powerful strong country. That's why, they are using they old method of accussing of different violations against Putin. They say that Russia is oppressive country, that Putin is a dictator etc., but he is just doing his country stronger. The more he is successful in his work, the more he is bad.
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How many died as a result?
