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Old 03-01-2014, 07:29 PM
 
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Some think that's a diversion from the Syrian war,where Western Europe and the US looking for disengagement and that Ukraine crisis was created in purpose to divert the public opinion on other issues : middle east peace talk which is stalled,afghanistan where President H.Karzai refuse to sign the security accord with the US,and the massacre of muslims civilians in CAR,where the west is turning the blind eye.
Not really.
It's rather a part of it; here is a bigger picture;

"For many years, Syria’s Tartus port has served as a “safe harbor” for the Russian Navy in the Mediterranean. In May 2013, as part of Russia’s new strategic deployment in the wake of the rebellion against President Bashar Assad’s regime, Russia established a “Mediterranean Naval Command.” Tartus is now the safe harbor for the new fleet, which comprises 11 warships: aircraft carriers, submarine combat ships, escort ships and a missile destroyer. This new fleet is an extension of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol, and under its command.

All Russian activity in the eastern basin of the Mediterranean is currently dependent upon the Sevastopol port in Ukraine. However, it is through the Syrian ports of Tartus and Latakia that Russia is transferring increasingly large arms shipments to Assad’s army and safeguarding its interests in Damascus. "


Putin

 
Old 03-03-2014, 02:06 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Some think that's a diversion from the Syrian war,where Western Europe and the US looking for disengagement and that Ukraine crisis was created in purpose to divert the public opinion on other issues : middle east peace talk which is stalled,afghanistan where President H.Karzai refuse to sign the security accord with the US,and the massacre of muslims civilians in CAR,where the west is turning the blind eye.
No, not really.

Besides what Erasure said about Syria, its obvious the United States and the Europeans have been caught off guard by the Ukrainian crisis because of their less then effective response. Plus, those international problems you mentioned are always going on for the United States. Nothing really different from normal. For instance, the Middle East talks have unfortunately not gone anywhere for years.

I have also read from the other side of the coin that the Olympics were long planned by Putin as a diversion by the Russians so they could invade Ukraine. I do not believe that either. The Olympics take years of planning to carry out. People automatically think conspiracy on every issue but sometimes it really is a coincidence.

Rather I think this Ukrainian crisis has been boiling over for some time in Ukraine itself.
 
Old 03-03-2014, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Paris
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People automatically think conspiracy on every issue but sometimes it really is a coincidence.
+1

I find it disrepectful to Ukrainians to suggest that what's going on there is a mere diversion.
 
Old 03-04-2014, 08:11 AM
 
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Default calm down with thugs in power in Kiev?

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I am sure it won't split. Now Julia will be elected president, Ukraine will sign that association treaty with the EU, but in reality it will continue to struggle economically and balance between the EU and Russia. Just the rhetorics will somewhat change. Crimea will gradually calm down.
The only way for them to calm down would be for the new Government to repel the law they just passed imposing the Ukrainian language on the whole of Ukraine-Russian speaking regions included-which amounts to a linguistic epuration no more no less, a bit like if the Canadian Parliament voted to impose English as the sole language of Canada, Quebec included!
Personally I believe today's borders are artificial -created by well known "democrats" Stalin and Khroutchev- and that Ukraine should split. Of course it won't happen given the might of the Western powers, who have much more clout than fairly isolated Putin's Russia- who is not even allowed to defend its national in its hinterland- and who would consider that a casus belli.
 
Old 03-04-2014, 08:15 AM
 
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The only way for them to calm down would be for the new Government to repel the law they just passed imposing the Ukrainian language on the whole of Ukraine-Russian speaking regions included-which amounts to a linguistic epuration no more no less, a bit like if the Canadian Parliament voted to impose English as the sole language of Canada, Quebec included!
Personally I believe today's borders are artificial -created by well known "democrats" Stalin and Khroutchev- and that Ukraine should split. Of course it won't happen given the might of the Western powers, who have much more clout than fairly isolated Putin's Russia- who is not even allowed to defend its national in its hinterland- and who would consider that a casus belli.
They already repelled that law.
 
Old 03-04-2014, 08:28 AM
 
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They already repelled that law.
Well, it's a beginning, it goes in the right direction in deflating the tensions. However I fear there is still a lot of work ahead, I say "work" around a negotiating table, not rants against one another. Still a long uphill battle to ease the tension here I believe.
 
Old 03-04-2014, 08:40 AM
 
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If you speak Russian you can understand and speak Ukrainian. For instance phonically speaking...the word for bread in Russian is hlaybah- In Ukrainian it is hlebah. Americans have this impression the Ukraine is some separate culture with a separate language. You could compare the difference in linguistic tone ...to a New Yorker and a Texan...They sound different but both are speaking English. It really irks me when people with no knowledge of the Slavonic tribes do not under stand the basics of other cultures...Slavonics are Russians....Poles....Ukrainians etc. They are the same race.
 
Old 03-04-2014, 09:16 AM
 
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They already repelled that law.
Yes, and they did some other movements that show that they are ready to dialogue.

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is not even allowed to defend its national in its hinterland
Emotions aside, the more I read about it, the more I think that there is no real danger for the people of my nationality there

Damage for someone's business or political interests, well, maybe. But it's not the reason for a war. And people there are independent from us for so a long time, they have to protect their interests themselves. Economic help - yes, a war - no.

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Old 03-04-2014, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Some Airport Transit Zone
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I'Rumors are rumors, nobody has confirmed any $100 bills..
It's ok if you don't believe in what my ukrainian relative said. But I have just watched a video (in russian language) with a young radical band who was caught in Kharkiv during the storm of the city administration building. And one of them clearly said that he got paid 200 grivnes!!!
 
Old 03-04-2014, 11:58 AM
 
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Personally I believe today's borders are artificial -created by well known "democrats" Stalin and Khroutchev- and that Ukraine should split.
You know I wouldn't be surprised of the split considering how Russia has reacted to the political events in Ukraine. I do not think nationalistic tendencies there will go away.And Russia will not apparently countenance it at all as shown by the Crimea. Perhaps Russia and the Ukraine in this deadly game will stand down and come to an 'accomodation'? I mean if they won't or don't can Ukraine be sure Russia will not invade again everytime there's a so-called 'nationalistic' event ostensibly against Russian interests occurring on its soil? Solutions here look difficult and some may be unpalatable but perhaps may need to be done to avert bloodshed and chaos.
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