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Old 03-04-2014, 02:22 PM
 
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Originally Posted by viribusunitis View Post
They already repelled that law.
They repelled this law because most likely the Western advisers pointed them at their big mistake. They try to appoint now wealthy businessmen from East Ukraine for the local administrative positions, I assume following advise of the Western politicians as well.
But the first move of that Kiev new government ( with this law) was quite telling.

 
Old 03-04-2014, 07:36 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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+1

I find it disrepectful to Ukrainians to suggest that what's going on there is a mere diversion.
I agree with you.

Its also disrespectful that people are saying all Ukrainians who want a independent Ukraine are Nazis. Just because people do not agree with someone does not mean they are a fascist or something.
 
Old 03-04-2014, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Some Airport Transit Zone
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Its also disrespectful that people are saying all Ukrainians who want a independent Ukraine are Nazis..
I never heard that someone said it.
 
Old 03-04-2014, 09:28 PM
 
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Maybe the best option for peace
 
Old 03-05-2014, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Russia
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I agree with you.

Its also disrespectful that people are saying all Ukrainians who want a independent Ukraine are Nazis. Just because people do not agree with someone does not mean they are a fascist or something.
Not all, of course. But there is a pretty active group ("Right sector")
 
Old 03-08-2014, 07:19 PM
 
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Ukraine will observe neutrality, as Finland. The EU will not take - East will be against. Crimea will go to Russia. Gas pipe through the Crimea to Romania.

All the turmoil in Ukraine because of the desires of the local oligarchs to own a gas pipe. Russia supplies Ukraine with gas at a discount, and Ukraine sells it to Europe at market prices. Making money out of thin air.
 
Old 03-08-2014, 08:08 PM
 
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Ukraine will observe neutrality, as Finland. The EU will not take - East will be against. Crimea will go to Russia. Gas pipe through the Crimea to Romania.

All the turmoil in Ukraine because of the desires of the local oligarchs to own a gas pipe. Russia supplies Ukraine with gas at a discount, and Ukraine sells it to Europe at market prices. Making money out of thin air.
Who is going to "own" what is a big question, because this is what I am reading on few Ukrainian sites;

"02.03.2014 Mr. Turchynov in the presence of the ambassadors of the USA, Germany, Poland and Ukraine signed a preliminary agreement with the IMF on granting financial aid to Ukraine, according to which all Ukraine's gas transport system of smoment the final signing of the main agreement on finfood gratuitously transferred the ownership of the American company Chevron, owners Mariupol, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk metallurgical enterprises are obliged to transfer 50% of the shares in the property of a German company Ruhr coal industry of Donbass is also passed to the Finnish subsidiary of Ruhr! Also in addition to political requirements in a signed document has a clause on granting NATO territories near Kharkiv to host systems of the us missile defense, section of the American fighter aviaciyi to cover interest ABOUT!!
Source - the first Deputy Ambassador of the Czech Republic in Poland."


Ukraine - sale of the country has begun!



If this is true, then indeed we are not talking about "free Ukraine" and never were.

We are talking about the change of master - that's all there is to it.
 
Old 03-08-2014, 09:19 PM
 
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You know I wouldn't be surprised of the split considering how Russia has reacted to the political events in Ukraine. I do not think nationalistic tendencies there will go away.And Russia will not apparently countenance it at all as shown by the Crimea. Perhaps Russia and the Ukraine in this deadly game will stand down and come to an 'accomodation'? I mean if they won't or don't can Ukraine be sure Russia will not invade again everytime there's a so-called 'nationalistic' event ostensibly against Russian interests occurring on its soil? Solutions here look difficult and some may be unpalatable but perhaps may need to be done to avert bloodshed and chaos.
I think the powers-to-be know this is about Black Sea access and nothing more, that is why there was not much alertness to a wider attack despite what the media was hyping up. Ukraine and the West knows darn well Russia's concerns about Crimea, that is why the reaction is what it is versus an out right invasion of all of Ukraine. The powers-to-be know Crimea is a special case.

The West will not want compromise on Crimea, as taking Crimea is a key objective, more so than all of Ukraine.

Russia is not going to invade Ukraine; Ukraine knows this, the West knows this; Crimea is its own special cake.
 
Old 03-09-2014, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Ukraine will observe neutrality, as Finland. The EU will not take - East will be against. Crimea will go to Russia. Gas pipe through the Crimea to Romania.
Finland is a part of the EU and Eurozone. I don't see how anyone could claim Finland is neutral at this point.
 
Old 03-09-2014, 11:52 AM
 
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Just listened on RT to the daughter of infamous Soviet leader Nikita Krutschev, -who lives in NYC and is a US citizen- declare : "we must ban ALL RUSSIANS entering the US, so they will be furious and topple Putin".
Very clever, very responsible, very balanced , very thought out policies - NO! such mind blowing , desperately childish stupidity from someone who prides himself of belonging a "renowned think tank" and this in our "enlightened" 21st century...
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