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Well, it says that the Mongols tolerated a spectrum of religions. We need to differentiate "Tatars" from Mongols; they're distinct ethnic and linguistic groups. Your link mentioned "Tengri-ism", which was the religion of the Turkic peoples, including the Tatars, while the Mongolic peoples, along with a few Turkic groups like the Tuvans, adopted Buddhism, or Buddhism alongside shamanism/Tengri-ism, more accurately. (Dvoyeveriye--where's my Russian alphabet link?!)
It's over-generalizing to the point of inaccuracy to say that all Tatars used to be Buddhist, just because they were part of the Mongol Empire. The Turkic peoples generally (including Central Asia) transitioned from shamanism/Tengri-ism directly to Islam. There was no intermediary step of Buddhism. The Tuvans and a few other isolated Turkic tribes, including the Yakuts, never did adopt Islam. Tengri-ism and shamanism have been enjoying a revival in Yakutia, since 1991.
Anyway, the whole thing is more nuanced than one might conclude from reading a Wiki page about it. Thanks for the link, though.
Ruth, I don't follow these details so much, because from political point of view the Buddhists ( at least in Russia) as much as the Shamanists are not all that important. The islamists however are.
So long time ago I was questioning who Tatars ( Volga Tatars) were (religiously speaking,) before they converted to Islam. Probably I mixed up "Buddhism" with "Shamanism" but this article in Wiki confirms that it was primarily Shamanism of course.
"This time the invaders came to stay, and they built for themselves a capital, called Sarai, on the lower Volga. Here the commander of the Golden Horde, as the western section of the Mongol empire was called, fixed his golden headquarters and represented his sovereign the grand khan who lived with the Great Horde in the Orkhon Valley. Here they had their headquarters and held parts of Rus' in subjection for nearly three centuries. All of the Russian states, including Novgorod, Smolensk, Galich, and Pskov, submitted to the Tatar-Mongol rule.[6]
...In religious matters, the Mongols were extremely tolerant. When they first appeared in Europe, they were shamanists, and as such they had no religious fanaticism. After adopting Islam they remained as tolerant as before,[8] and the khan of the Golden Horde, who first became a Muslim, allowed the Rus' to found a Christian bishopric in his capital."
I always assumed of course that modern Volga Tatars were the descendants of the Golden Horde - at least part of them.
( And yes, I understand of course that such terminology as "Tatar-Mongol" includes a large group of people of different ethnic background, where part of them turned to Islam, while other to Buddhism.)
Well of course.
When people are saying "Oh, I don't believe in God, so the religion isn't something serious and it doesn't really matter," they don't understand apparently that it's unimportant what they believe ( or don't believe) in. What matters, is that the fate of their ancestors ( and their own most likely) has been largely determined by what part of the world they were born in, and under which religion.
Well of course.
When people are saying "Oh, I don't believe in God, so the religion isn't something serious and it doesn't really matter," they don't understand apparently that it's unimportant what they believe ( or don't believe) in. What matters, is that the fate of their ancestors ( and their own most likely) has been largely determined by what part of the world they were born in, and under which religion.
True, and that's one of the major turnoffs of religion to me; the realization that it's largely determined by geography as opposed to being a universal truth.
Ariete, it's trash. Nevsky's feats are not basic for Russian. Stalingrad, blockade of Leningrad, Kulikovo battle, standing on the Ugra, burning of Moscow by the French, construction of St. Petersburg and other events have a greater contribution than a couple of battles of Nevsky.
And, of course, not 4th, but 3th Rome. Fourth not to happen.
Sure, I was oversimplifying.
I meant 4th Rome meaning contemporary Russia. I think the 3rd Rome stopped to exist with the Bolshevik revolution.
Our extreme left. The people from Black Lives Matter the church burners and a whole horde of others. its been shown in the past that one of the first things extremist gruops want to do in the past is tamper with history. Sometimes that requires destroying the old version and writing a new one.
True, and that's one of the major turnoffs of religion to me; the realization that it's largely determined by geography as opposed to being a universal truth.
Well it's more than just "geography" of course, because different peoples inhabit the different parts of the world - it's important to remember. So different people were submitted under the different religious teachings it's better to say. But that doesn't mean that it abolishes the "Universal truth." Provided that there is one and only God of course.
Our extreme left. The people from Black Lives Matter the church burners and a whole horde of others. its been shown in the past that one of the first things extremist gruops want to do in the past is tamper with history. Sometimes that requires destroying the old version and writing a new one.
History can be a very inconvenient matter of course.
The way I see the current events in the US is the following;
Both countries - the US and Russia have the "right" and the "left" train of thought, with Russia being ORIGINALLY "left" country, with its peasant communes promoting the responsibility for each and every member by the whole group, long before the "Communism" arrived there in the early 20iest century. The ultra-right policies and a stubborn refusal of the Russian monarchy to reform itself, was the reason for an ultra-left backlash of the communist revolution, which worked for Russians precisely for a reason that they were "socialists" with their peasant communes to begin with, going all the way back to 10-11th century.
Now the US of course ORIGINALLY is a country based on the "right" ideas - promoting individuality, independence, guns and all. The "left" ideas are a relatively *new* layer there, coming in place only in the 60ies of the previous century, even though these ideas were actively making its way in the society.
What I see happened down the road, is that American *left* ( I specifically use asterisk here, because Clintons are very questionable "left" ) pushed Russia back on the ultra-right path when given a chance, while claiming all the "left" ideas for the US, and even downright stealing them from the Soviets. And this glamorous "left" corporate America was supposed triumphantly to take over the world.
What we saw lately however, starting with election of Trump, is a backlash against these "left" ideas from within, as much as the whole current struggle to erase America's "right-wing" past. And that's where all these falling statues, as much as the fight for confederate flags are coming from.
I heard opinion that Clinton clan can specifically pay for the riots and demolition of monuments in order not to give Trump the opportunity to carry out reforms.
I did not see the flag of the Soviets a long time ago. But today I was very surprised when I was walking in Pushkino. https://s8.hostingkartinok.com/uploa...7fab3c7c28.jpg
Probably flags raised in honor of the city's day. Flagstaffs rusted, squinted, but are standing.
And Lenin is so young. )))
Well it's more than just "geography" of course, because different peoples inhabit the different parts of the world - it's important to remember. So different people were submitted under the different religious teachings it's better to say. But that doesn't mean that it abolishes the "Universal truth." Provided that there is one and only God of course.
Yes of course, its not just a matter of geography, but also culture. By "universal truth" I meant one single iteration of religion that is true in itself. Unless proven by science, no religion can claim that title. Many even contradict others by nature, the monotheistic ones are completely different from the polytheistic ones. Even among are three Abrahamic religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, there are some fundamental differences that can't be ignored. Jesus is only the son of God in Christianity, In Islam he is a prophet, while in Judaism he is viewed as a false prophet.
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The islamists however are. 
