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Old 07-30-2019, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Kharkiv, Ukraine
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Because an "emigrant" has a more balanced point of view than "great Ukrainian patriots," those *European* wannabes - that's why.
Infection with the "russian world" disease does not make the emigrant "more balanced"
And I gave the opinion of the inhabitants of the occupied Crimea, who are better at controlling the situation than you.

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"Russia says
Verba satis.
Enough fake news from russian propaganda
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Old 07-30-2019, 12:20 PM
DKM
 
Location: California
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Original proposal for Eastern and Central Europe was to become a demilitarized zone as buffer between NATO and the former Soviet Union, which was quickly rejected by he U.S.
Nobody cares what Moscow has to say about European security agreements. Its not their business what Europeans want to do among each other. NATO means nothing until a member is attacked. If Moscow has a problem with Europeans banding together to defend themselves, who's problem is that? Just keep piping over the cheap raw materials and enjoy the fire season.
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Old 07-30-2019, 12:25 PM
DKM
 
Location: California
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And I do not understand this "they want free elections." There are enough methods in Russia for legal ways to achieve this. But they went to a banned rally. They threw bottles at the cops. What for? Can this change something? Not. They will not achieve anything, except for another tub of **** poured on Russia by "Western partners." These protesters are just stupid puppets in hands of big players. The history of Russia has an example of the successful work of revolutionaries. But these fools in the square can not be compared with the ideas and methods of the Bolsheviks. And in any case, revolutionaries always drop a country into civil war. I don't see any reason to support them.
They went to protest because the rulers illegally barred the opposition to stand in elections. That's it, quite simple. Rulers in Russia are not subject to Russia's laws or constitution. That makes some people angry, especially when this lawlessness on top means most of the money is made outside of legal constraints. Hey its not my problem at all that Russia is being looted, I just feel sorry that Russians like you are conditioned to hate those who try to stand for their rights.
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Old 07-30-2019, 12:30 PM
 
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Nobody cares what Moscow has to say about European security agreements. Its not their business what Europeans want to do among each other. NATO means nothing until a member is attacked. If Moscow has a problem with Europeans banding together to defend themselves, who's problem is that? Just keep piping over the cheap raw materials and enjoy the fire season.
The author works for a neoliberal think tank. NATO and Warsaw Pact were essentially US and Russia. As the segment illustrated, the other members of NATO had no say unless it agreed with US interests. In this case, the US saw it as a means to stay on the offensive and expand their military occupation farther East. They've since used the NATO organization to do the same in Africa, ME, and Yugoslavia. It also illustrates the use of 'citizen' activist organizations as a means to expand their military reach, which is something we've seen lately with the many government-funded groups getting media coverage in the US and Britain favorable to US interests.
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Old 07-30-2019, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Russia
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They went to protest because the rulers illegally barred the opposition to stand in elections. That's it, quite simple. Rulers in Russia are not subject to Russia's laws or constitution. That makes some people angry, especially when this lawlessness on top means most of the money is made outside of legal constraints. Hey its not my problem at all that Russia is being looted, I just feel sorry that Russians like you are conditioned to hate those who try to stand for their rights.
They could not collect the required number of signatures and simply forged them, and thus violated the law. And they were just given a kick in the ass, although they should have been given a criminal sentence for forgery. They still got off easy. And now they must somehow report back to the curators for the money invested in them.That's it quite simple.
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Old 07-30-2019, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Russia
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They went to protest because the rulers illegally barred the opposition to stand in elections. That's it, quite simple. Rulers in Russia are not subject to Russia's laws or constitution. That makes some people angry, especially when this lawlessness on top means most of the money is made outside of legal constraints. Hey its not my problem at all that Russia is being looted, I just feel sorry that Russians like you are conditioned to hate those who try to stand for their rights.
They forged voter signatures and do not have broad popular support. All they can do is arrange provocations. But you can think that they are the best part of Russians. This is pretty funny.
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Old 07-31-2019, 11:39 AM
DKM
 
Location: California
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Don't worry guys, the Russian government has launched criminal inquiries into the protests threatening up to 15 years prison for participating in unsanctioned rallies. You should sleep better at night knowing your government won't let the youth in Russia get these crazy ideas about democracy.
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Old 07-31-2019, 01:03 PM
 
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Nobody cares what Moscow has to say about European security agreements. Its not their business what Europeans want to do among each other. NATO means nothing until a member is attacked. If Moscow has a problem with Europeans banding together to defend themselves, who's problem is that? Just keep piping over the cheap raw materials and enjoy the fire season.

LOL....I wonder how are you going to spin the US reaction if Russia manages to put a military base capable of launching offensive weapon in Cuba again....your posts are priceless comedy, please keep them coming...

The US had an hysteria attack for two IL-62 landing in Venezuela....
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Old 07-31-2019, 02:05 PM
DKM
 
Location: California
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LOL....I wonder how are you going to spin the US reaction if Russia manages to put a military base capable of launching offensive weapon in Cuba again....your posts are priceless comedy, please keep them coming...

The US had an hysteria attack for two IL-62 landing in Venezuela....
Russian nukes in Cuba? We would never allow it so it cannot and therefore will not happen. A hypothetical scenario is fun to imagine but it won't happen so what's the point? We would at least invade Cuba and put an end to its regime if this was even attempted.

If you think our opposition to supporting a murderous dictator in Venezuela is born of fear, you vastly misunderstand the point.
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Old 07-31-2019, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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Russian nukes in Cuba? We would never allow it so it cannot and therefore will not happen. A hypothetical scenario is fun to imagine but it won't happen so what's the point? We would at least invade Cuba and put an end to its regime if this was even attempted.

If you think our opposition to supporting a murderous dictator in Venezuela is born of fear, you vastly misunderstand the point.
So it’s ok for US to invade Cuba to prevent instillation of Russian base, but not ok when Russia does it to Ukraine to prevent NATO base in Crimea?
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