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Old 11-14-2020, 11:54 AM
 
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"PARIS (Reuters) - France on Thursday said it was ready to help build a lasting and balanced solution for all sides in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict after a Russia-brokered ceasefire deal appeared to catch Paris by surprise....

...France’s population includes between 400,000 to 600,000 people of Armenian origin and President Emmanuel Macron has been careful not to back one side or the other in the conflict. However, he has increasingly come under fire from opponents at home, who argue that he did not do enough to help Yerevan.

In a statement on Thursday, Macron’s office said he had sought to reassure Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKBN27S3BR

To be continued indeed.
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Old 11-14-2020, 11:55 AM
 
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Russia isn't a failed state, it's not a bad place to live a life.

It's not a bad place, especially if you are lucky to get a high level government position which opens path to self-enrichment.

Otherwise you are bound to make a salary comparable to the poorest African countries, "enjoy" poor quality food (lack of standards and their enforcement due to corruption), high level of violent crime, and total corruption from top to bottom - for ex. even if you go to a state hospital don't expect much free care, you will pay cash directly to doctors, nurses etc., and this is how it works EVERYWHERE.
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Old 11-14-2020, 12:22 PM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEW030g0ZzE


"PARIS (Reuters) - France on Thursday said it was ready to help build a lasting and balanced solution for all sides in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict after a Russia-brokered ceasefire deal appeared to catch Paris by surprise....

...France’s population includes between 400,000 to 600,000 people of Armenian origin and President Emmanuel Macron has been careful not to back one side or the other in the conflict. However, he has increasingly come under fire from opponents at home, who argue that he did not do enough to help Yerevan.

In a statement on Thursday, Macron’s office said he had sought to reassure Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKBN27S3BR

To be continued indeed.
Can't repu you. Quite a bit to read here. Thanks for the knowledge.
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Old 11-14-2020, 12:26 PM
 
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I'm 99% sure there were billions of Rubles stolen during this "upgrade", current Russian state power has shown multiple times complete absence of any moral standards or law obedience - they exchanged "шило на мыло". Trolleys were already 21st century, now they have to buy and recycle all those batteries, which is freaking expensive, pretty sure more expensive than just maintaining simple electric wires.
Most likely true.


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It's not a bad place, especially if you are lucky to get a high level government position which opens path to self-enrichment.

Otherwise you are bound to make a salary comparable to the poorest African countries,
Someone likes too much drama I think...

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"enjoy" poor quality food (lack of standards and their enforcement due to corruption),
Partially true.

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high level of violent crime,
You mean worse than in US big cities?

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and total corruption from top to bottom - for ex. even if you go to a state hospital don't expect much free care, you will pay cash directly to doctors, nurses etc., and this is how it works EVERYWHERE.
Hey, it's capitalism after all; how much of the "free care" do you get in the US?

Everything is learned in comparison you know, "African salaries" including.
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Old 11-14-2020, 12:32 PM
 
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It's not a bad place, especially if you are lucky to get a high level government position which opens path to self-enrichment.

Otherwise you are bound to make a salary comparable to the poorest African countries, "enjoy" poor quality food (lack of standards and their enforcement due to corruption), high level of violent crime, and total corruption from top to bottom - for ex. even if you go to a state hospital don't expect much free care, you will pay cash directly to doctors, nurses etc., and this is how it works EVERYWHERE.
Most of this is just nonsense. Come back when you have something to contribute.
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Old 11-14-2020, 01:03 PM
 
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Most of this is just nonsense. Come back when you have something to contribute.

Sure, do you mean "contribute" like you, serving as a Putin's troll? I'm afraid ain't going to happen - I would never serve a thief like Putin and his gang, I guess I don't like money as much.

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Old 11-14-2020, 01:11 PM
 
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Hey, it's capitalism after all; how much of the "free care" do you get in the US?

Everything is learned in comparison you know, "African salaries" including.

You know what I meant, don't BS me and people who never lived in Russia. US never advertises free health care as Russia does. In the US or any other Western country I don't have to "corrupt" a doctor to make him do his job because his salary so miserable he wouldn't make it without taking "gifts".



Actually I wasn't fair to Africa - in poor small Libya average salary $1,713.77/m, in resource rich giant Russia - $690/m.



In Russia people grow up knowing you have to pay cash to make anything happen, even those things which you supposed to get for free (since you paid your taxes for it), has nothing to do with "capitalism", it' just shows level of moral degradation in Russia, and it's been more or less like this for centuries, judging by Russian classic literature, Putin's criminal regime just made it worse.

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Old 11-14-2020, 01:49 PM
 
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You know what I meant, don't BS me and people who never lived in Russia. US never advertises free health care as Russia does. In the US or any other Western country I don't have to "corrupt" a doctor to make him do his job because his salary so miserable he wouldn't make it without taking "gifts".



Actually I wasn't fair to Africa - in poor small Libya average salary $1,713.77/m, in resource rich giant Russia - $690/m.



In Russia people grow up knowing you have to pay cash to make anything happen, even those things which you supposed to get for free (since you paid your taxes for it), has nothing to do with "capitalism", it' just shows level of moral degradation in Russia, and it's been more or less like this for centuries, judging by Russian classic literature, Putin's criminal regime just made it worse.
Salary is a pretty poor way to compare anything, that is why no one does it. The better way is GDP per capita, in which Russia is around 27K, while Libya sits at 4K.
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Old 11-14-2020, 01:57 PM
 
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Salary is a pretty poor way to compare anything, that is why no one does it. The better way is GDP per capita, in which Russia is around 27K, while Libya sits at 4K.
Don't bite k350. He is just parroting the usual nonsense. Nothing to see here.
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Old 11-14-2020, 02:33 PM
 
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You know what I meant, don't BS me and people who never lived in Russia.


Actually I wasn't fair to Africa - in poor small Libya average salary $1,713.77/m, in resource rich giant Russia - $690/m.
It's not about "BSing" - it's about having more objective point of view, which you obviously lack, since when talking about "Africa," all of a sudden you jump to Libya ( as a typical example of Africa in your book,) but why not Togo for example?
This is very indicative of incohesive thinking, and therefore your statements/comparisons can't be taken seriously.

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US never advertises free health care as Russia does. In the US or any other Western country I don't have to "corrupt" a doctor to make him do his job because his salary so miserable he wouldn't make it without taking "gifts". In Russia people grow up knowing you have to pay cash to make anything happen, even those things which you supposed to get for free (since you paid your taxes for it), has nothing to do with "capitalism", it' just shows level of moral degradation in Russia, and it's been more or less like this for centuries, judging by Russian classic literature, Putin's criminal regime just made it worse.
Now when it comes to specifically healthcare, I already pointed some time before that in capitalist society ( i.e. society that is driven exclusively by profits,) it's impossible to keep "free health care," since it's not bringing any profits. But organizing healthcare outright "for profit," (and thus leaving it up to the "market," who is going to live or die,) would have brought the outcry in Russia, since Russians are the socialists in their soul, unlike Americans.

With that being said however, when "the market dictates," (i.e. "the state budget,") medical services/salaries will be severely slashed by the government, thus pushing "market" (i.e. patients) to compensate for the shortcomings, and that's what you see is happening in Russia in terms of the healthcare.

But as I've already said before, this "successful model" where "market rules it all," was sold to Russia by American Democrats, who now, in their turn, are trying to push "free health care for all" in their own country instead.

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