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Old 11-20-2014, 06:44 AM
 
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Because it was in their economic and security interests may be?
Yea what a legit reason
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Old 11-20-2014, 07:27 AM
 
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I think that it happens that nations think about only their pain, not the pain of others.

The First World War, for example, is very important for Serbs. For them it was an aggression by Austria-Hungary. For Latvians, for example, it's different. They care only about the economic damage it made (a lot of damage for them). They don't care about Serbs.

And for Russian officers that were "White" during the Civil War in my country, the First World War (or the decision not to participate in it anymore and the Bolshevik Revolution) was the end of their beloved country - Russian Empire.

They didn't understand Latvians. Those "White" Russians lost their beloved country. That was all for them.

For Finns the Winter War is the most important event in their history. I understand that. For us the later events (after 1941) are much more important.

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Old 11-20-2014, 08:07 AM
 
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Yea what a legit reason
After the WWII it was a very legitimate reason, no doubt about it.
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Old 11-20-2014, 08:38 AM
 
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After the WWII it was a very legitimate reason, no doubt about it.
Yea whatever. Russians are poor and live unhappy lives. So I guess the justice has been served
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Old 11-20-2014, 08:56 AM
 
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Yea whatever. Russians are poor and live unhappy lives. So I guess the justice has been served
The ultimate justice is a biblical matter.
The rest of "justice" is a temporary arrangement.
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Old 11-20-2014, 09:30 AM
 
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There was a way to escape this: the USA to start their operations earlier and somewhere in Central Europe.

Fewer coffins here. More coffins there.
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Old 11-20-2014, 10:41 AM
 
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About 1939.

I think we must remember that for communists all the capitalist countries were in this or that way "not our friends".

Such emotions were based on the Civil War. Don't forget that it weren't just "Russians", but the members of a particular party.

Munich Agreement obviously increased the feeling that all other nations were ready to made a pact against us in the future.

Poles and Finns were enemies for the communists (again based on the Civil War).

So when Finns said: "We want to be neutral", they didn't believe.

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Old 11-20-2014, 10:53 AM
 
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About 1939.

I think we must remember that for communists all the capitalist countries were in this or that way "not the friends of us".

Such emotions were based on the Civil War. Don't forget that it weren't just "Russians", but the members of a particular party.

Munich Agreement obviously increased the feeling that all other nations were ready to made a pact against us in the future.

Poles and Finns were enemies for the communists (again based on the Civil War).

So when Finns said: "We want to be neutral", they didn't believe.
You need to expand it a bit. That it in fact was direct foreign intervention in Russia's internal affairs on a side of a losing party ( the Tzarist army.)

Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Obviously the winning party ( the bolsheviks) couldn't forget it.
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Old 11-20-2014, 11:01 AM
 
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Yes, erasure. Though, taking into account how many Russian people the party that won killed, it's sometimes difficult to see them as a force that represented our national interests. Was the other way possible (no revolution, and rich peasants as a strong conservative power)? Well, after the First World War, it was perhaps impossible.
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Old 11-20-2014, 11:37 AM
 
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Yes, erasure. Though, taking into account how many Russian people the party that won killed, it's sometimes difficult to see them as a force that represented our national interests. Was the other way possible (no revolution, and rich peasants as a strong conservative power)? Well, after the First World War, it was perhaps impossible.
Unfortunately, they did represent the national interests at that point in time. The provisional government and everything that it represented was already "too little too late."
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