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Germany was always slapping Finland around back then trying to get at the Soviets. Certain people in the Finnish ruling class wanted nothing more than to get to Red Square in Moscow. Finland was more politically unstable then and with the Nazi influence could not be trusted. The USSR asked the Finns to move back from Leningrad, they even offered other territories in exchange. The Finns refused and Russia attacked in 1939. You don't want Nazis on your doorstep.
Through the Cold War Finland maintained a policy of strict neutrality. The last decade or so Finland has had people trying to prostitute the country to the west, to make Finland and Finns take sides instead of bfreedom of choice. It appears to me you are of of those eager to sell your freedom.
Oh, they are full of fantasies of the "ultimate victim," and they refuse to see a bigger picture.
Therefore it's inconvenient for them to learn the history and to look into facts.
Germany was always slapping Finland around back then trying to get at the Soviets. Certain people in the Finnish ruling class wanted nothing more than to get to Red Square in Moscow. Finland was more politically unstable then and with the Nazi influence could not be trusted. The USSR asked the Finns to move back from Leningrad, they even offered other territories in exchange. The Finns refused and Russia attacked in 1939. You don't want Nazis on your doorstep.
Through the Cold War Finland maintained a policy of strict neutrality. The last decade or so Finland has had people trying to prostitute the country to the west, to make Finland and Finns take sides instead of freedom of choice. It appears to me you are of of those eager to sell your freedom.
Finland was very stable in 1939 and had get rid out of almost all the nazis. Only in academic circles there were infuential people with nazi sympathies. Finland was more close to the democracies of Europe than nazi Germany.
The USSR again was allied with nazi Germany in 1939 in an unholy alliance. If the USSR wouldn't had attacked Finland in 1939, Finland most likely would've stayed neutral in WWII, so no nazis at your doorstep.
Finland doesn't prostitute itself to the west, because we are a partof the west. Except for some parts of Karelia, Finland has since 1100 been a part of the west. And to whom are we selling our freedom? Merkel? Cameron? Hollande? Obama?
The Finns have chosen their side a very long time ago. The side is the west.
Who knows?
But Russia is after all a very poor country that depends on commodities, and their population is dwindling...but those countries are the dangerous ones.
That's right. The wounded bear is the most dangerous one.
It would have been much wiser to let Russia be, to let her establish democratic laws, to let her establish middle class and so on. But since this kind of development has been conscientiously prevented, the world will remain a dangerous place for some time.
Finland was very stable in 1939 and had get rid out of almost all the nazis. Only in academic circles there were infuential people with nazi sympathies. Finland was more close to the democracies of Europe than nazi Germany.
That's in your own mind. Listen to what Scrat told you; "Germany was always slapping Finland around back then trying to get at the Soviets."
And Soviets knew it very well - when it would come to Germany's attack, Finland would work in German interests. And so would Baltic countries. That's again as I said - eat or be eaten.
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The USSR again was allied with nazi Germany in 1939 in an unholy alliance.
Knowing that Russia was a primary goal of Hitler's Germany, and knowing that the "allies" wouldn't stand up to aggressor ( leave alone looking forward to the deadly fight between Russia and Germany, plus prompting up it's military machine with lavish loans,) the Russians took the only wise decision in such situation - to make peace with the enemy and to buy some time for war preparations.
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If the USSR wouldn't had attacked Finland in 1939, Finland most likely would've stayed neutral in WWII, so no nazis at your doorstep.
That's in your "righteous mind" only. When it would have come to practical things, the Germans would have done the way they saw it fit. Finland was never a match for Germany.
That's in your own mind. Listen to what Scrat told you; "Germany was always slapping Finland around back then trying to get at the Soviets."
And Soviets knew it very well - when it would come to Germany's attack, Finland would work in German interests. And so would Baltic countries. That's again as I said - eat or be eaten.
Knowing that Russia was a primary goal of Hitler's Germany, and knowing that the "allies" wouldn't stand up to aggressor ( leave alone looking forward to the deadly fight between Russia and Germany, plus prompting up it's military machine with lavish loans,) the Russians took the only wise decision in such situation - to make peace with the enemy and to buy some time for war preparations.
That's in your "righteous mind" only. When it would have come to practical things, the Germans would have done the way they saw it fit. Finland was never a match for Germany.
That might be the case.
But Finland didn't work completely in German interests. We didn't cross the Murmansk rail line, we didn't siege Leningrad, and we didn't take part in the holocaust.
Finland was not a match for Germany, true, but if the Germans went all the way to the Caucasus and Stalingrad, what difference would 100 km closer or more far from Leningrad make? None.
But Finland didn't work completely in German interests. We didn't cross the Murmansk rail line, we didn't siege Leningrad, and we didn't take part in the holocaust.
Finland was not a match for Germany, true, but if the Germans went all the way to the Caucasus and Stalingrad, what difference would 100 km closer or more far from Leningrad make? None.
Leningrad is not "Stalingrad or Caucasus." It's a cultural treasure of Russia. (And Europe actually, because of Hermitage alone, but let's skip this part for the moment being.)
So yes, 100 km make the whole difference when tying to protect this particular city.
Leningrad is not "Stalingrad or Caucasus." It's a cultural treasure of Russia. (And Europe actually, because of Hermitage alone, but let's skip this part for the moment being.)
So yes, 100 km make the whole difference when tying to protect this particular city.
Viipuri wasn't Oulu or Lahti, it was a historical heritage of Finland. IT WAS OURS!
Viipuri wasn't Oulu or Lahti, it was a historical heritage of Finland. IT WAS OURS!
Try to compare Viipuri and St. Petersburg from world's heritage point of view. It's incomparable, actually, that's why the siege of Leningrad and fight for it became one of the most horrific pages in the history of human kind.
Actually, it was not.
It was Swedish city, until Russia fought for it. ( Not that it didn't fight for it with Sweden
There was no such country as Finland - remember?
So what's given to someone once, can be taken away as well, when situation calls for it. And in the 1930-ies- 40ies it was definitely a case.
Learn history, do not rely on your own fantasies.
Very sorry to say but something is missing from your history book...Vyborg was part of independed Finland, at "Swedish time" it was part of state of Sweden-Finland.
Most intresting part on your opinion is that "what's given to someone once, can be taken away as well".
This dont make sense if you are first saying that Vyborg was swedish city....and then,if this is the case,how come USSR had right to do invasion to the "Swedish city"
Now...We can also take it back from Russia or Sweden can do it also becuse it was given to USSR?
Same with the islands on the gulf of Finland and in north Petsamo area: Battle of Petsamo (1939) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
By the way,concerning the safety of Leningrad, Petsamo area had nothing to do with this issue, attack to this area had only one purpose and that was to steal our minings....Please read again: OUR minings, not USSR minings.
One important thing more, 1939 USSR was kicked out from UN after attack to Finland, this fact is good to keep in mind when seeking who was guilty to the winter war.
Gosh...Lets face it, USSR/Russia had allways thought that they have right to do anything what they want and if others dont agree, they are nazis, facists or what ever...
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