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Hurt?! To the contrary, I find it sick when people are allowed to utter every stupid thing that comes out of their tiny brains. So I would not mind if there were reasonable limitations to freedom of speech. Total freedom of speech is a nightmare in my view, nothing any society should strive for.
No, I do not agree, as again, you say Europe when there is no European freedom of speech. If you had said Germany, then yes, I would have agreed with you. Then again, there are no free speech zones and such oddities in Germany.
Also, legal limits to freedom of speech are just one type of limit. The non-legal limits are more important as hardly anyone knows the law, anyway. It starts when people are little children and moms scold them for saying certain things.
Hurt?! To the contrary, I find it sick when people are allowed to utter every stupid thing that comes out of their tiny brains. So I would not mind if there were reasonable limitations to freedom of speech. Total freedom of speech is a nightmare in my view, nothing any society should strive for.
And so do many other Europeans, which is precisely why European nations restrict speech more than we do in the US.
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No, I do not agree, as again, you say Europe when there is no European freedom of speech. If you had said Germany, then yes, I would have agreed with you. Then again, there are no free speech zones and such oddities in Germany.
I'm done arguing with you. I've stated several times that it is the various nations of Europe that restrict speech more than the US does.
I can't help you if you cannot understand this.
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Also, legal limits to freedom of speech are just one type of limit. The non-legal limits are more important as hardly anyone knows the law, anyway. It starts when people are little children and moms scold them for saying certain things.
Speak for yourself. I know the law. You don't? Then you are arguing from a position of ignorance.
Only on paper, at best. In reality it is absurd for most Europeans to observe for instance how easily people in the US attack each other over allegedly racist statements. Or those infamous beeps when certain words are said
So at the end of the day, I am more free in Europe than in the US. Only for irresponsible radicals are the US a better place because those don't care for others anyway, to the contrary, provocation and insult seem to be their fuel. But the vast majority of society are better off in Europe because unlike what the threat title suggests pc is very limited compared to the US.
Europe has significant restrictions on free speech. Especially Germany. The US institutionalized censorship in Germany while it was occupied by the Allies.
No. First of all, it's called compassion, not political correctness. Second, I don't know of a country in Europe, the majority of whose citizens have even an ounce of compassion in their hearts.
Did this pass yet? They've been pushing it for 2 years...is this what Europeans consider "free speech"? Or do they not care as long as they can say the F word on television and show skin?
I don't know. But it reads like a typical attempt to force exaggerated and unnatural tolerance on people, there are such attempts everywhere in the West and in different ways. That attempt is based on the idea that being tolerant is automatically a good thing and a kind of natural law. But it is a dangerous approach as it also stifles due criticism of crappy and/or incompatible ideas, beliefs, ideologies, religions, sects etc.
I don't know. But it reads like a typical attempt to force exaggerated and unnatural tolerance on people, there are such attempts everywhere in the West and in different ways. That attempt is based on the idea that being tolerant is automatically a good thing and a kind of natural law. But it is a dangerous approach as it also stifles due criticism of crappy and/or incompatible ideas, beliefs, ideologies, religions, sects etc.
Yes, and now look what Europe is dealing with, right now. If this didn't pass, good, because this would have told them, "Shut up and take it, we don't want to hear what you think about it". The last thing Europe needs is something like that document. I'd be more concerned about things like that than the amount of skin someone wants to show.
At the end of the day some say there might be 2m to 3m of them in Europe once they have brought in their relatives. That's like a half percent of the European population.
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