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well, considering I can't write **** or **** on this board without it being censored on a board where otherwise blatant racism is allowed, i'd say I generally agree with Ariete, or at least I'd say that our censorship is a bit more intelligent.
On domestic forums I frequent there is no censorship. It's up to the moderators to decide if you curse or insult excessively.
Here when I type in google "Tiananmen", this is the first suggestion for a picture:
It's the same on CD. It is moderators doing the censoring, not seldom when people report posts they don't like. And of course some censoring is built-in, some words can only be written using deliberate typos.
Any claim that Europe is the "home of free speech" is a joke.
The US becomes more centrally-governed and liberties are eroded year-by-year. But, it will still be quite a while before anywhere other than the US can legitimately claim to be the "home of free speech".
When you compare the freedom of speech in different countries, there is little difference. There are lots of restrictions everywhere including in the US. And it makes sense because we don't live in a jungle, but in human societies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedo...ech_by_country
Any claim that Europe is the "home of free speech" is a joke.
The US becomes more centrally-governed and liberties are eroded year-by-year. But, it will still be quite a while before anywhere other than the US can legitimately claim to be the "home of free speech".
Why is that? The concept of the freedom of speech was nourished, if not born, during the Age of Enlightenment, a pivotal period of time in the history of Europe. It was an European idea.
Why is that? The concept of the freedom of speech was nourished, if not born, during the Age of Enlightenment, a pivotal period of time in the history of Europe. It was an European idea.
That's true.
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And didn't Voltaire say this?
This was 1770, 6 years prior to the birthday of the United States of America.
He did.
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I'd say makes perfect sense to say that democracy and freedom of expression were born in Europe.
I agree.
But, that is not what the poster stated. The poster stated that Europe is the home of free speech. Free speech was born in Europe. But, it moved to and now resides in the US.
But, that is not what the poster stated. The poster stated that Europe is the home of free speech. Free speech was born in Europe. But, it moved to and now resides in the US.
Are you implying that freedom of speech doesn't exist in any other place other than in the US?
That is simply not even remotely true. America's censorship is probably worse than any country in Western Europe, press freedom is frail, there's also internet surveillance, PATRIOT act, and the high level of police state. So how's Europe inferior to America in terms of personal freedom/civil liberties/democracy?
I'm not saying that the US is not a free country, just that free speech can have more than one "homes". And as of today, Europe seems like the cozier one.
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I get the impression that France might have more freedom of speech. I can't imagine for instance those Mohammed caricatures getting published in the US.
The French can also use swear words on TV etc.
Any claim that Europe is the "home of free speech" is a joke.
The US becomes more centrally-governed and liberties are eroded year-by-year. But, it will still be quite a while before anywhere other than the US can legitimately claim to be the "home of free speech".
Shut up and bow down to the almighty Europeans!! Kings of everything!
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