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Old 06-23-2019, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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I got as far as the title of the piece to which you linked. There is no indication anywhere that the OP's cat was a hunter. There is no indication anywhere that the OP approved of or promoted the idea of his cat being a hunter. There is a direct concern of the OP that chemicals were being utilized that may have been harmful to the cat. Anything else is either way off topic or simply wild speculation.
The 1.4 to 3.7 billion dead birds a year from cats isn't all speculation: https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.50d1441e451b. It is based on studies.

If I were to go out and shoot a bird the fines would be very high. If it was endangered; I could go to jail. But cat owners think that their little lions are so cute as they maul the birds and small animals. Cats do not belong outside running free. Cats and their owners were never issued a special license to kill like 007.

As far as what a canal owner does with insecticides, pesticides or herbicides: All of these chemicals cost money; they are not cheap. Most of the time people are using them because they are required to use them or to correct a problem they have. They are not just wasting their money to harass cat owners.
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Old 06-23-2019, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Floribama
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An herbicide is a pesticide. Pesticide is a broad term referring to anything that kills a pest including weeds, insects, fungus and so on. It's not specific to insects. That would be an insecticide.
Most people use pesticide and insecticide interchangeably.
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Old 06-23-2019, 01:34 PM
 
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The 1.4 to 3.7 billion dead birds a year from cats isn't all speculation: https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.50d1441e451b. It is based on studies.

If I were to go out and shoot a bird the fines would be very high. If it was endangered; I could go to jail. But cat owners think that their little lions are so cute as they maul the birds and small animals. Cats do not belong outside running free. Cats and their owners were never issued a special license to kill like 007.

As far as what a canal owner does with insecticides, pesticides or herbicides: All of these chemicals cost money; they are not cheap. Most of the time people are using them because they are required to use them or to correct a problem they have. They are not just wasting their money to harass cat owners.
By that logic all humans should be treated as murderers because some kill people. The cost of the chemicals used is immaterial; the legal, health and ecological significance of using them is what this topic is about.
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Old 06-23-2019, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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By that logic all humans should be treated as murderers because some kill people. The cost of the chemicals used is immaterial; the legal, health and ecological significance of using them is what this topic is about.
Humans do not kill over a billion humans every year in the US. What makes cats so special that they cannot stay inside - the lives of our birds don't count?

This thread is about the purpose of spraying pesticides and the right of the owner compared to the rights of nearby residents. I would bet that many nearby residents would encourage the owner of the canal to use the pesticides so they do not get bitten by mosquitoes. Besides that we do not even know the exact regulations that the canal owner might be forced to comply with. Anybody remember Silent Spring: https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-ra...le-their-lives.
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Old 06-23-2019, 10:19 PM
 
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Humans do not kill over a billion humans every year in the US. What makes cats so special that they cannot stay inside - the lives of our birds don't count?

This thread is about the purpose of spraying pesticides and the right of the owner compared to the rights of nearby residents. I would bet that many nearby residents would encourage the owner of the canal to use the pesticides so they do not get bitten by mosquitoes. Besides that we do not even know the exact regulations that the canal owner might be forced to comply with. Anybody remember Silent Spring: https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-ra...le-their-lives.
Again, you are equating the fact that some cats hunt birds to indicate all cats hunt birds, That is untrue; as is the idea that the interaction between cats and birds has anything at all to do with the purpose of this topic.

I find it odd that you would invoke Silent Spring at the same time you appear to be acting as apologist for those who would object to being simply questioned about their use of environmental chemicals.
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Old 06-23-2019, 10:57 PM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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Again, you are equating the fact that some cats hunt birds to indicate all cats hunt birds, That is untrue; as is the idea that the interaction between cats and birds has anything at all to do with the purpose of this topic.

I find it odd that you would invoke Silent Spring at the same time you appear to be acting as apologist for those who would object to being simply questioned about their use of environmental chemicals.
Again, just from the statistics, all cats should not be allowed out on their own. Even if you have a 'good' cat that does not eat birds; that is an exception to the rule. For the sake of our small feathered friends; keep your cats inside. I just wished that they would fine or imprison cat owners just like they would fine or imprison those people that would illegally shoot our birds. Perhaps cat owners would have more respect for our wildlife.

As far as acting like an apologist: We do not know if the canal owner is simply following regulations or if a problem has been found in their area. The particular area sprayed could have an outbreak of West Nile virus, Zika, or black fly problems. We do not even know what state or city the OP is complaining about. Without the particulars it is impossible to determine if they are right or wrong.
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Old 06-23-2019, 11:39 PM
 
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Again, just from the statistics, all cats should not be allowed out on their own. Even if you have a 'good' cat that does not eat birds; that is an exception to the rule. For the sake of our small feathered friends; keep your cats inside. I just wished that they would fine or imprison cat owners just like they would fine or imprison those people that would illegally shoot our birds. Perhaps cat owners would have more respect for our wildlife.

As far as acting like an apologist: We do not know if the canal owner is simply following regulations or if a problem has been found in their area. The particular area sprayed could have an outbreak of West Nile virus, Zika, or black fly problems. We do not even know what state or city the OP is complaining about. Without the particulars it is impossible to determine if they are right or wrong.
The topic here is of spraying chemicals and questioning why it is being done. If people here stick to the topic we may answer some of the questions related to the OP's post.

The topic is not about cats and birds. You seem to be quite concerned about that so why not start a new topic?
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Old 06-24-2019, 03:58 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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The topic here is of spraying chemicals and questioning why it is being done. If people here stick to the topic we may answer some of the questions related to the OP's post.

The topic is not about cats and birds. You seem to be quite concerned about that so why not start a new topic?
Without the OP making more post we cannot go further. We have no idea where they live or what rules and regulations the canal owner is governed by. We do not know the size of the canal or if it is a corporation and the OP was dealing with a manager. We don't know if the owner sprays because other residents have complained about mosquitoes or other pest?

All we know it that somebody, that owns a cat, wants to let it run on somebody's property and they feel it is unsafe with the property sprayed. The fact that they are not worried about getting the property owner's permission, to let their animal run, also speaks volumes about the OP. Many gardeners do not approve of neighbors that let their dogs run over and dig up their garden. I would think that most gardeners love the idea of private property - we like to choose who or what we share with; we do not like to see our hard work destroyed.
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