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Have you actually been to Southern Italy or Sicily? There might be some, but it's not that common. Most people have darker features down there. I don't remember walking around Napoli seeing very many redhaired freckled types walking around...
I saw one freckled redhead in Italy speaking Italian (so I assume he was Italian). One. I think the 'nordidness' of northern Italians is exaggerated. Most people in Milan looked just as dark as those from Naples.
Those aren't the typical American populace though. The only racial difference we are obsessed with is skin color. Not whether Colin Farrell looks like an Irishman or a Spaniard.
Yes Americans have a simplistic view of 'race.' White, black.etc. Europeans understand the more subtle differences between countries, not just culture but looks. Also European nationalities are not so mixed so it's easier to see the differences in each country or region.
Smash said the English look more like Danes rather than Germans. Nice selective quotation there. They look more like Danes and Dutch than Germans. Germany is a big country so geographically they decrease in similarity to the English the further away from that north/west region you go.
Makes no sense, from a layman perspective the dutch and danes are very nordic looking populations most people have the hollywoodesque tall and fair/blonde looks. The english are darker and shorter, even german people are more genuinelly blonde and tall. I have been to the UK many times, and the user Pardillo here can confirm this too, he has an aunt married to a dutchman and has been to UK many times (If Im not wrong lives in the UK now). Talking about the differences between groups of Brits and Germans,Its just easy to notice when visiting both countries how many british women lean to the curvy , short and brunette(many times very dark brown/black hair). Most of the blondes in the UK are very fake looking (usually darkbrown roots), and the genuine blondes you find there are usually baltic/pilish/czech women who are doing aupair or temporary work in the Isles . On the other hand german women lean more to the tallish/longer legs/arms , slender, and naturally blonde spectrum. Even the brunette haired german women usually "northern" (as in tall, slender facial features, long legs, blue eyes,etc).
Some comments on city data from people who have been to different parts of northern europe.
"Danish don't have anything to do with MOST Brits at all, they are an entirely different crowd. Danish are Scandinavians, most are blonde and they have a close-knit family look.
The concept of "Northern European" is wrong, since the original people in North Europe were just the same people that constitute the majority in Great Britain, Alpines...they are the people living in England and Ireland during the last 8.000 years.
Saxons were invaders, just a drop of water in British genetic pool, more so taking in account that Normans did not like them at all and sent them packing everywhere, in current day Turkey there was a city called New York founded 800 years ago by the Saxons, Normans annihilated them."
"Yes, I have Dutch family since my aunt married a Dutch. Dutch are indeed very Nordic looking and quite similar (from a layman's perspective), nothing to do with Brits that might have a Germanic language but that are not Nordic looking in general.
They are also totally different to Germans, different character entirely, as stated by the same Julius Caesar when talking about Frisians.
Dutch are related with Flemish, both were once part of the Spanish empire. Dutch are above all, traders, commercial people.
I guess there are Dutch with black hair, but not many. They also have people from the colonies that are entirely assimilated."
Even saxonwold who has high animosity towards the England and the UK in general would never dare to claim that England is like Denmark or the Netherlands in tems of phenotype, england would be comparable more to northwest france in terms of pigmentation and height, still different though (more of a diversity within the British Isles).
I could never confuse a random group of brits but for Irish.
According to this map Britain is BLONDER than Germany or the Netherlands.
This map has been refuted many times on internet, it was created by a north american who never visited europe and spreaded as a viral youtube video.. need I say more?
I have been in the UK many times, not just london, and lived in the netherlands for a while, hence I know those areas pretty well. The difference is much bigger than some people might ever want to imagine. And not british dont look nothing like scandinavians? britain being like denmark , are you being serious?
Germany is a lot blonder than UK (without a doubt) and Netherlands is blonder than Both (although northern germany comes close), I have been to those 3 countries many times.
In fact the Netherlands Is the only country I have been in continental europe that I didnt find particularly darker haired/eyed than Scandinavia(although I have not been to the baltics yet), in fact very similar to denmark for what I've seen in both countries. Germany is more brown haired than scandinavia and netherlands, because its more diverse within its ethnic population, although for a big country is has many many real blond people, probably the blondest country out of the large european nations. About british people? hardly any real blonde person, most have either mousy hair color or darkbrown/black, yes I'm talking about natives not foreign population living there. And the british people tend much more to the short side, in fact british women are much shorter than dutch and danish women, or any other germanic population I've been before.
the guys of the Video come from a place where according to the map 50-79% of people have light hair, just look how most of the clearly native english people there have dark brown hair.
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Canadians look similar to Australia, more similar mix (English, Scottish, Irish, Italian) although probably fewer tanned people than here haha.
Interesting. I always find it the other way around. When I look at celebrities, athletes, politicans and so on, Canadians look more like Americans, while Australias look more English and British. It doesn't help that there's more of a cultural tie to the UK in Australia, at least on TV, music and etc. The same goes for Canada to US, and talents flow in teh way of Canada <> USA and Australia <>UK.
As far as I know, the origin of the Blondness map comes from Carlton S Coon. While too many Europeans seem to take his ideas uncritically (and since he published in 1933, it's a bit out of date), he was a published academic, which puts him far ahead of random people on the internet.
The sad thing is, the whole Nazi thing meant that people no longer thought it was politically correct to study human phenotypical variation, so we have no up-to-date data.
We can say some things with modern genetics however. The two largest components in modern-day Europe seem to be "Northern European" (remnants of the ancient hunter-gatherers, peaks in Finns and Lithuanians) and "Southern European" (the agriculturalists who spread out of the Near East - highest in Sardinians and Basque). In general, Britons show equal amounts of both components. Germans (and Dutch) have a bit more "northern" ancestry, roughly midway between Britons and Scandinavians.
This map has been refuted many times on internet, it was created by a north american who never visited europe and spreaded as a viral youtube video.. need I say more?
I have been in the UK many times, not just london, and lived in the netherlands for a while, hence I know those areas pretty well. The difference is much bigger than some people might ever want to imagine. And not british dont look nothing like scandinavians? britain being like denmark , are you being serious?
Germany is a lot blonder than UK (without a doubt) and Netherlands is blonder than Both (although northern germany comes close), I have been to those 3 countries many times.
In fact the Netherlands Is the only country I have been in continental europe that I didnt find particularly darker haired/eyed than Scandinavia(although I have not been to the baltics yet), in fact very similar to denmark for what I've seen in both countries. Germany is more brown haired than scandinavia and netherlands, because its more diverse within its ethnic population, although for a big country is has many many real blond people, probably the blondest country out of the large european nations. About british people? hardly any real blonde person, most have either mousy hair color or darkbrown/black, yes I'm talking about natives not foreign population living there. And the british people tend much more to the short side, in fact british women are much shorter than dutch and danish women, or any other germanic population I've been before.
the guys of the Video come from a place where according to the map 50-79% of people have light hair, just look how most of the clearly native english people there have dark brown hair.
That's believable. From the Germans and Dutch I know, blondeness does seem common. I don't agree that there are 'hardly any' real blonde Britons. In fact I'd say it's slightly less than Germans, but I noticed quite a few natural blondes in England. In Australia they're not exactly uncommon either. We have a lot of people of almost pure British descent here still, unlike the US.
I also don't know if British women are MUCH short, although Germans, Dutch and Scandinavians are definitely noticeably taller on average than Britons or Australians. Well there are Britons just as tall, but it doesn't seem as common as with the others.
That's believable. From the Germans and Dutch I know, blondeness does seem common. I don't agree that there are 'hardly any' real blonde Britons. In fact I'd say it's slightly less than Germans, but I noticed quite a few natural blondes in England. In Australia they're not exactly uncommon either. We have a lot of people of almost pure British descent here still, unlike the US.
I also don't know if British women are MUCH short, although Germans, Dutch and Scandinavians are definitely noticeably taller on average than Britons or Australians. Well there are Britons just as tall, but it doesn't seem as common as with the others.
I didnt say british are short, rather on the average for a western/european society than on the really tall one, they are certainly noticeable shorter than Dutch, danish, germans, etc. Brits tend to be more similar on height to the french imo. Certainly brits and Australians are taller than portuguese, spanish, italians, for example.
I meant that the term baby blond is particularly used in the anglospheric nations because there is a very big difference between the amount of blonde kids and adults, and yes there is a handful of fair haired brits but they tend to be more on the mousy side than in the Yellow/golden/platinium blonde one.
For example those scottish people.. you see a mix of mousy hair color and dark brown, and the yellow haired women (specially when women) are usually bleached.
You can see how dark brown hair is much less frequent in germans than among brits (let alone the Irish) and blond hair is definitely more consistent.
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