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The backwoods portions of the states aren't Southern though. Just Southern influences.
Southern Missouri is part of the South. Branson, "that country influenced tourist destination," does not count as being part of the Midwest at all either.
Before white fight Baltimore's black population was 24% (1950). Remember that Baltimore missed out on the first Great Migration for the most part.
What point are you trying to make by noting percentages from both cities that are 50 years apart? I will say that it's funny that you mentioned the 50s because all four of my grandparents moved to Baltimore from the south in that decade.
I love how the people saying MO is more Southern than MD are using no actual evidence, just simply saying it "seems" more Southern. Then when you press them for an answer, they say it's because it's more rural.
Keep in mind that the same poll that people use to prove MD is not Southern is the same poll that shows that an even smaller percentage of people from MO consider themselves Southern than even people from MD.
Call MO backwoods, country, or rural. Its own residents don't seem to think that's enough to be considered Southern, like not even a little bit.
And NO, apparently the existence of the bootheel isn't enough for the rest of the state. I'd say area-wise the bootheel is not significant enough to make a difference anywhere else in Missouri.
I love how the people saying MO is more Southern than MD are using no actual evidence, just simply saying it "seems" more Southern. Then when you press them for an answer, they say it's because it's more rural.
Keep in mind that the same poll that people use to prove MD is not Southern is the same poll that shows that an even smaller percentage of people from MO consider themselves Southern than even people from MD.
Call MO backwoods, country, or rural. Its own residents don't seem to think that's enough to be considered Southern, like not even a little bit.
And NO, apparently the existence of the bootheel isn't enough for the rest of the state. I'd say area-wise the bootheel is not significant enough to make a difference anywhere else in Missouri.
I think that Maryland is more culturally southern as a whole, but the bootheel is more culturally southern than any part of Maryland. I grew up just north of the bootheel and consider myself southern, and you can drive 10 miles and the culture can completely change between the lower midwest and the mid-south depending on where you are. Evidence of this includes what denomination the local church is and what kind of food people grew up eating/eat at home. Both sides of my family are mostly of the same stock that settled Appalachia, and the more I learn about that part of the country the more obvious it becomes. We even use similar words as them to describe different things.
I also know that most native Missourians aren't like I am so take it for what it is worth. Not trying to start an argument, just give some perspective.
I think that Maryland is more culturally southern as a whole, but the bootheel is more culturally southern than any part of Maryland. I grew up just north of the bootheel and consider myself southern, and you can drive 10 miles and the culture can completely change between the lower midwest and the mid-south depending on where you are. Evidence of this includes what denomination the local church is and what kind of food people grew up eating/eat at home. Both sides of my family are mostly of the same stock that settled Appalachia, and the more I learn about that part of the country the more obvious it becomes. We even use similar words as them to describe different things.
I also know that most native Missourians aren't like I am so take it for what it is worth. Not trying to start an argument, just give some perspective.
Gunner is right on this one.
The bootheel has a very strong Southern vibe to it....feels like an extension of eastern Oklahoma or Arkansas. It's right there knockin' on the the door of the Mid-South as a gateway to Tennessee, which for the most part, is undeniably Southern.
I think that Maryland is more culturally southern as a whole, but the bootheel is more culturally southern than any part of Maryland. I grew up just north of the bootheel and consider myself southern, and you can drive 10 miles and the culture can completely change between the lower midwest and the mid-south depending on where you are. Evidence of this includes what denomination the local church is and what kind of food people grew up eating/eat at home. Both sides of my family are mostly of the same stock that settled Appalachia, and the more I learn about that part of the country the more obvious it becomes. We even use similar words as them to describe different things.
I also know that most native Missourians aren't like I am so take it for what it is worth. Not trying to start an argument, just give some perspective.
What point are you trying to make by noting percentages from both cities that are 50 years apart? I will say that it's funny that you mentioned the 50s because all four of my grandparents moved to Baltimore from the south in that decade.
Because you already mentioned that Baltimore had less than a fifth black population. I was also having difficulty finding Baltimore's 1900 black population and did not have much time. I said that we missed the first great migration, not the second one. Of course that doesn't change the fact that Maryland was 25% black in 1860. Legacy of Slavery in Maryland: Maryland Census Data 1860
^That was from the Maryland Census Data source I posted above.
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