How many major cities in the US are right next to even bigger cities and as a consequence they become secondary cities. (gated, live)

[florida-dolphins]

I am talking about actual big cities with a local culture that could do well as cities of their own, but because they are so close geographically to an even larger city, they pretty much become a sort of secondary city.

Oakland comes to mind. Oakland could be a normal big city, in may states Oakland would be the state's largest city, however due to its proximity to San Francisco, Oakland is often just mentioned when San Francisco or the Bay area is mentioned, as a result Oakland somehow doesn't really get all the attention it deserves.

Fort Lauderdale is another example in reference to Miami.

Are there any other big cities that follow that pattern? I suppose southern California or the area around New York city has plenty of cities like that.

[Treasurevalley92]

Fort Worth is an obvious one.

[kidphilly]

Some people would argue Philly gets overshadowed by NYC due to their proximity - their closest city borders are less than 45 miles apart. Though still very much distinct Philly may not perceived as large due to the close proximity and especially overlapped metros/burbs

[Southshorebound]

Providence, RI (large considering metro area) lives in the shadow of Boston. They are 41 miles from each other and have overlapping suburban regions

[Deeman804]

Originally Posted by kidphilly

Some people would argue Philly gets overshadowed by NYC due to their proximity - their closest city borders are less than 45 miles apart. Though still very much distinct Philly may not perceived as large due to the close proximity and especially overlapped metros/burbs

I feel that same way with Baltimore. Could Baltimore be the future of Philly on a larger scale? Pro teams, separate media market, separate culture but same CSA and increasingly considered as one larger region.

[biscuit_head]

I'm sure all the Fort Worth posters will come in here whining about how they're not secondary to Dallas pretty soon. It definitely stands on its own and has better museums than Dallas for one, but since Dallas is the larger and flashier city in North Texas, it does overshadow FW. Many idiotic C-D posters think its a suburb of Dallas

Tacoma, Washington

St. Petersburg

Baltimore, absolutely

Long Beach would be considered a major city in many states (the city has a population of 470,000, about the size of Atlanta) with its own port, airport, and a decent sized downtown...but since it's adjacent to gigantic Los Angeles, its relegated as a suburb at worst, a secondary city at best.

Riverside and San Bernardino are actually about 55-60 miles from Los Angeles and feel somewhat removed and separated, but still enough ties that they feel united to LA. Those cities would be considered another separate city in many states, but since it's adjacent to LA County and shares a media market not to mention many suburbs, it gets sucked into the LA sphere of influence.

Ft. Lauderdale

Newark

Oakland

[qworldorder]

Newark and Jersey City, NJ to NYC have to be the biggest ones. Also, Long Beach and Los Angeles.

[KodeBlue]

Originally Posted by Deeman804

I feel that same way with Baltimore. Could Baltimore be the future of Philly on a larger scale? Pro teams, separate media market, separate culture but same CSA and increasingly considered as one larger region.

Let's hope that Baltimore doesn't lose itself

[kidphilly]

Originally Posted by Deeman804

I feel that same way with Baltimore. Could Baltimore be the future of Philly on a larger scale? Pro teams, separate media market, separate culture but same CSA and increasingly considered as one larger region.

the two technically already meet the CSA threshold via suburban counties but the census kept them separate for the CSA metric


their centers of gravity are a little further apart when compared to DC and Baltimore and also are bigger metros


Philly is the size of DC as the smaller metro in the pairing and NYC is well NYC

[KodeBlue]

I think as Baltimore becomes stronger as a city, it'll really push to maintain it's Independence from the DC area.