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Parts of Cumming GA, Irvine CA, and Sugar Land TX are trending that direction. So are the southern extreme parts of Loudoun county.
I grew up in Sugar Land LOL...schools like Clements HS had been at least plurality (now majority) Asians for as long as I remember. Austin HS? Elkins HS (Which itself has a fair size middle class African-American population), Dulles HS?
Sugar Land itself is not THAT expensive. Sure, part of SL aren't cheap but you can buy a SFH easily for like 400k (it'll be older). But even those newer houses at $1M is nothing compare to even Bellaire TX (where an older house can cause something like 600k...newer one? 1.5M-2M) much less River Oaks (1M? What about 5M minimum).
BTW, Sugar Land itself is now plurality Asian - it was like 50% White 35% Asian, now it's more like 40% White 40% Asian.
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Many Chinese and Indians moving into the super low density basically exurban old money wealthy areas in Greater Boston’s MetroWest Suburbs. Not so much to the North and South.
The poorer Asians are a minority and not the ones being discussed here. Asians, overall, do very well- we know this.
You see Asians in part of more rural part of Howard County MD also...but the majority are in what I consider "Upper Middle class" areas. In another word, sure they buy houses that cost like 750k-1M but not so much houses that cost 3-5M (or more). The latter would fit right into "Most expensive zip code". The former? "Nice desirable suburbs with good school".
Regardless, my point about discussing Asian ethnoburbs is even though they have none of the negatives typically associated with heavily minority areas (they tend to have low crime, high property values, well-kept homes, great schools, etc.) white people still flee them in large numbers once they are in a small enough minority.
Honestly, it varies a lot by ethnicities. Within the U.S. context though Chinese, Koreans, and Indians tend to do very well (either upper-middle class from the start or within 1-2 generations). Vietnamese and Filipinos tend slot into more comfortably middle class, rather than professional backgrounds.
Continually poorer Asian immigrant groups are pretty much unknown though. Maybe the Hmong? Can't think of too many others. Even most groups which start out very poor in the U.S. (like Bangladeshis in NYC) are establishing themselves pretty well now.
More SE Asian groups, including some Vietnamese tend can or tend to be more lower income.
Regardless, my point about discussing Asian ethnoburbs is even though they have none of the negatives typically associated with heavily minority areas (they tend to have low crime, high property values, well-kept homes, great schools, etc.) white people still flee them in large numbers once they are in a small enough minority.
Sometimes percentage can be deceiving, though...
Take Sugar Land, TX: 2010: (Total 76,589)
White (inc. Hispanics) 40,951 (53.47%)
Asian 27,796 (36.29%)
African-American 5,853 (7.64%)
Native American 172 (0.22%)
Pacific Islander 33 (0.04%)
Other 1,784 (2.33%)
2020: (Total 100,028)
White (inc. Hispanics) 45,186 (45.17%)
Asian 42,831 (42.82%)
African-American 8,122 (8.12%)
Native American 367 (0.37%)
Pacific Islander 40 (0.04%)
Other 3,482 (3.48%)
Basically White people didn't really "flee" but Asians population just keep moving to the area thus making the white percentage appears to be a lot lower. It's not surprising as an area like Sugar Land already has things like good QOL (i.e. good schools and relatively low crime) while also having a preexisting ethnic community ranging from East Asian/Indian grocery stores to religious institution (Churches, Temples, Mosque, Satanic shrines...whatever. Ok joking on the last one) to community groups.
You can see similar numbers in places like Loudoun County VA anyway.
Take Sugar Land, TX: 2010: (Total 76,589)
White (inc. Hispanics) 40,951 (53.47%)
Asian 27,796 (36.29%)
African-American 5,853 (7.64%)
Native American 172 (0.22%)
Pacific Islander 33 (0.04%)
Other 1,784 (2.33%)
2020: (Total 100,028)
White (inc. Hispanics) 45,186 (45.17%)
Asian 42,831 (42.82%)
African-American 8,122 (8.12%)
Native American 367 (0.37%)
Pacific Islander 40 (0.04%)
Other 3,482 (3.48%)
Basically White people didn't really "flee" but Asians population just keep moving to the area thus making the white percentage appears to be a lot lower. It's not surprising as an area like Sugar Land already has things like good QOL (i.e. good schools and relatively low crime) while also having a preexisting ethnic community ranging from East Asian/Indian grocery stores to religious institution (Churches, Temples, Mosque, Satanic shrines...whatever. Ok joking on the last one) to community groups.
You can see similar numbers in places like Loudoun County VA anyway.
Per this website these are the recent demographics for Loudoun County. There are sections to the south of Loudoun that are largely Asian. There's also the Hunt country which is still largely white. https://www.city-data.com/county/Loudoun_County-VA.html
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Yeah, that's happening in a lot of places. Seattle is already slightly whiter than its MSA (60% vs. 58%).
I don't know if traditional white flight is still happening in any inner cities these days, though. I feel like, in inner cities where the white population is declining in absolute numbers (not just percentage), it's either because of overall population decline due to e.g. lack of jobs, or because of white birthrates being below replacement. (To be clear: birthrates are currently below replacement in the US in every race except Pacific Islanders.)
Maybe white flight is still happening in some of these diversifying suburbs, though, due to a perception or expectation of high crime. I can imagine that some percentage of whites in places like Aurora, IL or Kent, WA or Herndon, VA --- historically majority white but now largely Hispanic --- are still leaving due to "this town not being what it used to be".
Anyway: long-term (next few decades) my prediction is that most non-depressed cities will start having more average demographics for the nation --- just because suburbs' amenities are increasing, more jobs are remote, and immigration is cratering nationwide while the existing immigrants are assimilating. So increasingly, the people who live in cities will be the ones who simply desire an urban lifestyle (largely young extraverted liberals of every race), rather than who are forced to live there because of high-paying jobs or because they already have an established ethnic community there.
I wouldn't talk about white flight in Seattle, it's more related to the immigration from places like India with Amazon, Boeing and other big tech employers hiring more and more of them. Blacks are only 7.1% in Seattle, Asians are 16.3% and growing.
The same here in the eastside city of Sammamish. We are now only 57.5% white. Again, white people are not leaving. The new developments are bought by our recently increased Asian immigrants, most from India. Asians here are at 33%, Hispanics only 2.3%, Blacks only 1.4%. 31.3% of our residents are people born outside of the USA. We have neighbors on two sides from India, across the street from Tunisia.
"White Flight" is the white residents moving out, that's not the same as non-white people moving in. Both have the same result, lower percentage of Whites.
I wouldn't talk about white flight in Seattle, it's more related to the immigration from places like India with Amazon, Boeing and other big tech employers hiring more and more of them. Blacks are only 7.1% in Seattle, Asians are 16.3% and growing.
The same here in the eastside city of Sammamish. We are now only 57.5% white. Again, white people are not leaving. The new developments are bought by our recently increased Asian immigrants, most from India. Asians here are at 33%, Hispanics only 2.3%, Blacks only 1.4%. 31.3% of our residents are people born outside of the USA. We have neighbors on two sides from India, across the street from Tunisia.
"White Flight" is the white residents moving out, that's not the same as non-white people moving in. Both have the same result, lower percentage of Whites.
Yup this is what I was speaking to earlier. Places around Seattle are a good example of this. Bellevue and the east side are becoming increasingly Asian. Not because white people are necessarily leaving. It’s just Asian Americans with very good incomes in the tech industry are moving there in disproportional high numbers. The entire east side of the Seattle metro is extremely desirable and now ranked as one of the most expensive places in the country.
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Take Sugar Land, TX: 2010: (Total 76,589)
White (inc. Hispanics) 40,951 (53.47%)
Asian 27,796 (36.29%)
African-American 5,853 (7.64%)
Native American 172 (0.22%)
Pacific Islander 33 (0.04%)
Other 1,784 (2.33%)
2020: (Total 100,028)
White (inc. Hispanics) 45,186 (45.17%)
Asian 42,831 (42.82%)
African-American 8,122 (8.12%)
Native American 367 (0.37%)
Pacific Islander 40 (0.04%)
Other 3,482 (3.48%)
Basically White people didn't really "flee" but Asians population just keep moving to the area thus making the white percentage appears to be a lot lower. It's not surprising as an area like Sugar Land already has things like good QOL (i.e. good schools and relatively low crime) while also having a preexisting ethnic community ranging from East Asian/Indian grocery stores to religious institution (Churches, Temples, Mosque, Satanic shrines...whatever. Ok joking on the last one) to community groups.
You can see similar numbers in places like Loudoun County VA anyway.
By including White Hispanics your data is being accidentally wrong. The city also annexed 20,000 new residents in the year 2017 which also throws of the data, real growth in the current city boundaries is likely less than 10,000 people.
2010- Having trouble finding this number but want to say it’s around 45%, maybe slightly higher or lower.
2020- 39.8% Non-Hispanic White
White non-Hispanic population, still grew but largely due to annexation of newer areas.
I do agree with your point that it isn’t White flight, but the population of those areas in 2010 are lower than the population in 2020. Also a lot of general white flight is also the natural transition of a neighborhood nowadays. If you live in the suburbs with kids, a big house is not conducive to keeping you there hence you know a neighborhood is transitioning when the only white people there are older, it wasn’t necessarily flight, but a value change. In the suburbs the days of your family living in the same house for 100+ years are gone and that’s a benefit inner city neighborhoods can sorta offer in some cases. Being close enough to everything and settled at different times to not have a demographic lump of kids phase out the neighborhood.
Per this website these are the recent demographics for Loudoun County. There are sections to the south of Loudoun that are largely Asian. There's also the Hunt country which is still largely white. https://www.city-data.com/county/Loudoun_County-VA.html
Asians (Mainly Chinese and Indians) love moving to newer build community that has good schools. And as I somewhat point out earlier, they do clustered around certain areas once things are more build out b/c of the existing "infrastructure" (referring to things like local ethnic supermarkets or community center etc.).
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"White Flight" is the white residents moving out, that's not the same as non-white people moving in. Both have the same result, lower percentage of Whites.
Yep. Plus Asian population is just growing and is way more spread out than it once was. Used to be basically LA, SF, Seattle, NYC, Boston. Now? Houston, Dallas, Austin, Atlanta, Raleigh, Charlotte...and even Midwest cities like Indy and Columbus are gaining Asian populations.
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