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Old 08-01-2014, 01:07 PM
 
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YES! Keep them out! For once I agree with this guy.

I don't care how low the risk is...a risk is a risk. Put my tax dollars to work to build treatment facilities over there. That's one issue where I don't mind my tax dollars going to.

Donald Trump Says Ebola Patients Should Be Barred from U.S. - NBC News
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Old 08-01-2014, 01:36 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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YES! Keep them out! For once I agree with this guy.

I don't care how low the risk is...a risk is a risk. Put my tax dollars to work to build treatment facilities over there. That's one issue where I don't mind my tax dollars going to.

Donald Trump Says Ebola Patients Should Be Barred from U.S. - NBC News
Yes.

I realize that the health authorities will be using every precaution but even there is there is just a one in a hundred thousand chance that the disease might break out, that is too much. There are over 300 million lives to safeguard in the United States and hundreds of millions more throughout North and South America. I know saying that is not PC but protecting the vast majority should be the top priority right now.

The President and the Congress need to take courageous leadership on this issue asap.
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Old 08-01-2014, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Wandering in the Dothraki sea
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I wonder if it's too late. Unlike previous epidemics, this one is in higher density areas near airports. I don't think it would be unreasonable to suspect the disease has already left Africa (the two infected doctors aside)
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Old 08-01-2014, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Hyrule
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Yes, keep them out. Not that it matters what we all say but my two cents. They knew what the risks were, why do we have to take them as well. I'm going to have a different opinion in doctors traveling to other countries to fight these outbreaks of strange disease if they start bringing them all home. Seriously!!
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Old 08-01-2014, 11:34 PM
 
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I agree, we don't need this. I guess I am not PC either. No matter how great, wonderful, excellent the Emory Hospital might be there is still the human error factor in hospitals. We already have all the illegals crossing the border with lice, scabies, tuberculosis and who knows what else. All we need is Ebola too. I feel bad for all these people but don't bring it to us.
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Old 08-01-2014, 11:56 PM
 
Location: LA, CA/ In This Time and Place
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It's bad idea, but if they screw up it will be a disaster. An embarrassment. Let's wait and see.
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Old 08-02-2014, 08:34 AM
 
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I get what the CDC is trying to do. I think that they believe that if they have the Ebola patients in hand, they have a wonderful opportunity to study the disease and derive solutions and vaccines and cures. Fly in the bests specialists from all over and with proper protocol the disease will have been contained and all will be good.

Well, the Ebola patients are probably dead, as in there is no cure andin some huge percentage of victims, the end is guaranteed.

Do my vote is no. Why import a dangerous disease, when stuff can be done overseas? It's not like the CDC has hot screwed up before.

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Old 08-02-2014, 09:07 AM
 
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The first patient is due to arrive today (Saturday). I don't think the US would send them here if they thought it was unsafe in any way.

My Way News - US aid workers headed to Atlanta for Ebola care

I think they're doing the right thing. These two physicians may not survive in the end, and their immune systems have already likely been compromised to such an extent that they will never be able to return to Africa to assist the native victims.

However, expert doctors/epidemiologists at Emory who are just as familiar with Ebola can treat them in a completely sanitary, controlled environment that has been in place for 12 years -- set aside for just this kind of emergency. They can also test them (upon the patients' approval, which I would certainly suppose the infected doctors would give) with different, possibly new treatments that JUST MIGHT work -- and that they can then put to work in Africa.

These two doctors are certainly prepared to die; they would have considered and accepted that when they signed up to go to Africa to treat this disease. I believe they will readily submit themselves to be used as participants in a test group (Sample A, Sample B) to undertake these new medical trials/measures.

But though the margin for human error is small, it is still there. Overall, I agree with this, but a small part of me says, "this could spread and turn into a US epidemic." It's just the chance one takes in medicine to see progress -- and always has been.
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Old 08-02-2014, 09:44 AM
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Location: MA/NH
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These two doctors are certainly prepared to die; they would have considered and accepted that when they signed up to go to Africa to treat this disease. .
These two workers were there specifically to help with the ebola outbreak and "do god's work". They did know the risk but naively believe that their god would protect them as they were also there to promote their christian agenda. And their two sponsoring missionary organizations (the North Carolina-based Christian organization Samaritan's Purse and missionary group SIM USA) should be the ones to pick up the cost of flying them back to the US treating them, not the rest of the US taxpayers.
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Old 08-02-2014, 09:56 AM
 
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As much as I have compassion for the individuals I think that treating them in the hot zone is the correct thing to do. Save the Emory ward for people who catch it while traveling and bring it back here unknowingly.

They don't really have a handle on how this one is transmitted. If they knew the Dr. and the aid worker would not have contracted it. Drs in Africa are dying from it also. The CDC says it isn't transmitted that easily. But it sounds like it is. The American who died from it in Nigeria while trying to fly home said he wasn't in close body contact with his sister that had it and died.

Viruses mutate all the time. They say that previously in Africa this would flare up then die out. That is likely because it flared up in remote villages that were isolated and could be quarantined. Everyone either died or survived. Likely the village was abandoned. But then it flares up a few years later in other areas. Why? Perhaps someone traveled in the area where the abandoned village was and brought it back or it was transmitted through the animals. They don't really know. We don't have the same type of isolated village infrastructure that Africa has. If it starts up here we cannot isolate it as easily because of how large our cities are and how much travel happens between them. The African villagers were much less likely to drive or get on a plane to neighboring cities. In addition once it is here it could start flaring up every few years if it has a way to live on and mutate through the plants or animals.

Listening to the government assurances feels very much like the old story of someone writing on the Titanic's wall "Not even God can sink this ship". Them saying an Ebola outbreak here in the U.S. isn't in the cards sounds like a stupid and naive thing to say.
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