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They must've had European and Canadian counterparts, it seems the United States is near the bottom of the list of first world nations when it comes to embracing gay-rights.
The MUSLIM WORLD is at the BOTTOM OF embracing anything gay......they throw gays off of roof to their deaths into a bottomless pit.
Anti-America bashing is your game? The Russians don't throw them off roofs but NO GAY MARRIAGE!
If you are going to malign and trash at least have the dignity to do a research on your subject matter.
What if society just banned sexual practices entirely, no heterosexual sex, no homosexual sex...no sex or sexual contact with other individuals, period! Let's just get everyone medically circumcised so that they don't feel pleasure from it. We could still have marriages and unions. People would, hopefully, find other reasons to respect and love each other. Babies could still be born through artificial insemination; would that solve this whole issue?
Most of the problems in the world are brought about by sex:
*Rape is a sexual act of mistreatment that leaves lasting scars.
*Pedophilia can ruin a child for life
*Many marriages end in divorce anyway
*Some people get addicted to sex.
*Some people use sex to commit crimes, such as sex trafficking and underage pornography
*Getting caught committing a socially taboo sex act can lead to a damaged reputation
*Having sex can transmit deadly diseases.
*Having sex can lead to children when you are not ready to take care of them.
*Women, sometimes, are judged on their abilities to provide sex.
*Heterosexuals seem to want to vilify homosexuals, and it doesn't really have a lot directly to do with religion. (There are many non-Christian homophobes out there who may use a vague reference to the Bible to justify their feelings, but there's no substantial justification, as those same seem to have no problem with premarital sex, which is also called sin.)
*People start wars over sex.
Let's just stop it.
Why don't we just forget about it entirely, adopt another way of living, and solve some of the world's disagreements? It wouldn't take that long to just forget about it. In a few generations, our kids would probably not even remember sex. That's not to say they wouldn't find something new to squabble about, but that's just the way the world works, I guess.
(I guess this should be taken as sarcasm?)
Actually, that sounds like a nice place to live, a place with no sex. Why don't we get a group of volunteers who have taken vows of chastity to start such a civilization?
I hope you are not more way liberal than most people. Pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder, homesexuality is not.
Normal is a word people use to feel better about themselves and put others down. Little people don't say that most people are normal height, they say average, because calling little people abnormal is rude.
I'm sure pedophiles call their condition a sexual orientation.
Putting your sexual organ up someone's waste disposal chute is totally abnormal and the person is definitely a head case. Sodomy most certainly is a psyche disorder regardless who claims otherwise. As long as they don't harm others and only harming themselves with their psyche disorder, so be it.
I'm not going to debate someone who equates homosexulity with pedophiles, and that's not even what this topic is about, so you should start a new debate if you want. Your mind is made up and I know the truth.
If you weren't going to debate it why did you post a reply to my reply? I am not equating the act of homosexuality and pedophilia, I am equating the psychology of the homosexual and the pedophile.
I think I am missing something in this thread.
What does sexual orientation have to do with religion?
Can someone explain that to me.
If you are heterosexual, do you believe in the religious freedom of others?
That is the title of this thread, only they used gay instead.
Apples and Oranges.
Don't get it.
Mabey it's just me, who knows?
It has nothing to do with it
Apparently the OP is upset about the religious freedom acts and pizzerias not wanting to make pizzas for gay weddings that no one asked them to cater.
I ask this because whenever I post about the tactics of some gays... entering a Catholic church as a group and disrupting Sunday mass.....nearly every poster will side with that aggressive action and say they were justified to do that.
How about some links to that. Never heard of it at all, even from Gay Haters, so must not be much to that. They would have already used it, if it was true. Its not like the true tactics "Gay Haters" used, which was going around and beating up Gay folks for nothing.
and the Westboro group would say the same to the dead serviceman's family.
You guys need to go joint that Church. Your birds of a feather, and have "Hate" down to a science. You could be good for each other. They could go after Service peoples families, and you folks could fill in if any of them was Gay.
How about some links to that. Never heard of it at all, even from Gay Haters, so must not be much to that. They would have already used it, if it was true. Its not like the true tactics "Gay Haters" used, which was going around and beating up Gay folks for nothing.
I was living in Minnesota at the time and it happened more than once.
The Bishop of St Paul wanted to work with/accept the gays and set up meetings to have dialog with them.
He did this and after about 2 weeks of dialog called off future dialogs because he stated it was clear what the actual intent of the gay group was. It was not the idea to be accepted but rather the desire to force the Catholic church to condone their behavior/lifestyle.
I knew that from the beginning. Surprised it took the Bishop 2 weeks of dialog to find that out.
This was on all the TV stations and covered extensively in the Catholic newspapers.
So we just get your version of it? Post some links so we can check the story, if it was all over the News. I don't remember anything like that, so doubt that it exists, and if it did, there is more to it then what your claiming. Anti-Gay folks like to lie too much, so I want to see the story myself.
THIS is the fundamental problem you see around here.
Most of the time people start screaming about free speech or religious freedoms it involves them impinging on the freedoms of others. They must have slept through that part of history\civics class where they talked about where your rights aren't allowed to trample the rights of others.
Exactly, just because the government who governs what marriage has decided the homosexuals should have the right to marry, that doesn't mean that they can go out and challenge people whose religion forbids them to be part of a gay marriage wedding/celebration. You know, when this started with the gay marriage, even though I believe it is morally wrong, I thought, well good for them but when I saw that they immediately went out and started this going to shops and demanding services for the gay marriage and then filing lawsuits, I though, how could a marriage mean that much to them, I could see for those filing lawsuits that it was not about the freedom to marry and have a nice ceremony involving people who were happy and comfortable with them and what they were doing. I cannot believe, and we have never seen, loving couples excited about getting married and thrilled about the details of their weddings doing this. Sort of said that they didn't understand marriage and did not appreciate having it.
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If hospitals collected any money through government programs they wouldn't be allowed to discriminate under my system. Can you really imagine that if discrimination was legal that it would be that common place? I'd like to think that the vast majority of people in the USA would be very opposed to it and they wouldn't even support the businesses that practiced it.
Hospitals would not be a problem since the majority do take people that are being funded through the government system. I don't see hospitals turning people away and it is silly of people to bring that up. We aren't talking about medical services, we are talking about baking a cake, arranging flowers or taking photos.
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I haven't read the entire thread yet, but had to add a comment now.
I am all in favor of treating gay people with love. But you can't force churches to accept. I couldn't get married in a Catholic church. I'm not Catholic. I wouldn't expect to receive communion in a church that was not my own.
You can't stomp your feet and insist that you be accepted. None of us can get that in our lives all the time.
With that said, I think many Christians do their fellow human beings a great disservice when they reject them and treat them with hatred. There's no Biblical precedent for that, as far as I am aware. If we all just treated each other with basic politeness and decency. It would go a long way. I'm not talking about saying that someone else is doing something good and right (if you don't believe it is) but just being decent and polite. Is that so hard?
Why the buzz word "hatred"? Can you be specific about the "hatred" since I am not sure what you are talking about? Are you talking about people that, because of their religious affiliation cannot be a part of a gay wedding by providing services specific to a gay marriage? Those people have no choice. The baker and the florist were both serving these customers but could not be a part of their gay weddings. Decent and polite? Who isn't being that way? Should one surrender their religious beliefs in order to be a part of something that they feel is morally wrong? Decent and polite? Making lists of businesses that you are going to try to put out of business because they refuse to be a part of a gay wedding and we call that what?
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If consensual sex is bad, then consensual sex is bad. You are a hypocrite if you condemn a gay person for having consensual sex but don't condemn me* for having consensual sex.
*white, cis, married
Who said consensual sex was bad? I don't think this thread is about consensual sex.
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I don't think gay sex is bad, but where do you come up with this insane "logic"?
If I'm not mistaken, bearing false witness (lying) is one of the ten big sins. I couldn't care less what any religion thinks, but I don't care for hypocrites and most anti-gay christians repeatedly lie about gay people.
A. Homosexuality is not a "lifestyle." It is one end of the continuum of sexuality, and is no more a choice than heterosexuality is. And pedophilia is not one bit similar to homosexuality, thus so your attempt to compare what is by definition child abuse to a normal form of adult sexuality is utterly laughable.
Let me preface this by saying I am WAY more liberal when it comes to sexuality than most people. To call homosexuality normal and say pedophilia is abnormal is simpley absurd. Neither are normal, they are both equally abnormal. Pedophilia is just as much a sexual orientation as homosexuality is, it's simply undeniable. In addition to that, the notion of a continuum of sexuality is mostly garbage.
I hope you are not more way liberal than most people. Pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder, homesexuality is not.
Normal is a word people use to feel better about themselves and put others down. Little people don't say that most people are normal height, they say average, because calling little people abnormal is rude.
I'm sure pedophiles call their condition a sexual orientation.
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