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Yes, we do have Fire Codes, as we do have the same Laws in Gun use. However, you don't see folks trying to Ban Fire, do you? Or regulate the size of the fire your allowed to have, and/or how that particular fire looks to others. Your comparison may be OK, but your not admitting the fact that there are enough Gun Laws already in place that cover all these mass shootings.
Its against the Law, and always has been, to go into a school and shoot kids.
Its always been against the Law to go into a Church and shoot Black people.
Its always been against the Law to go into Movie Theatres and shoot people.
The consequences for doing it are very severe and punishable by Death, in some cases, and still people ignore these most serious Laws. Now your going to tell us that a lesser gun control Law will be obeyed by these people? They are going to fear the new Law and not commit th planned Murders? Sure, they will, and you can bet on it, right? .
Licenses do nothing. There won't be any Mental Illness Base, as long as there are Medical Privacy Laws for Citizens. No Doctor is going to submit a Patients name to a Data base, so he can get sued for it, and possibly lose his/her License to Practice. Ain't going to happen.
And there are laws against speeding and punishments for getting caught but everyone does it. Are you suggesting we should have no speeding laws? By your logic, do we need any laws at all because some people break them?
Maybe the medial privacy laws are something that needs to be changed then. I don't know about you but I'm tired of crazy people shooting up schools and movie theaters, and if we can't have gun control maybe we can have crazy person control.
Crazy person ---> angry, depressed, off medication ----> Buys gun ----> chip on shoulder against society -----> warning signs that everyone that knows them sees -----> goes to public place and shoots innocents ----> sometimes kills self
It's almost always someone who's male, isolated, few friends, unstable, can't keep a job or stay in school, usually the family knows something's not right.
That pattern has happened enough times that we CAN do something about it. We can disrupt that chain somewhere, probably in multiple places. The gun link of the chain is one place to look but the mental health is low hanging fruit. This used to happen a handful of times in a decade, ie: Charles Whitman UT massacre, NOT several times a year. Something is wrong.
I have a friend - they had one child, he had aspergers. He bought a gun and blew his brains out at age 22 - went through the same pattern as above but at least he only took it out on himself and not others. Mental health is clearly the problem here - but so are the guns they can get so easily - we need to keep crazy people from getting guns spontaneously.
In the countries that have stronger gun control this does not happen as much. It can happen - but it's harder. You can get a gun easily enough in the UK despite their laws, but instead of $400 at the store you're going to pay a gangster $4000 to get you one on the black market. That would rule out a good number of crazies who get the compulsion to go shoot up a theater. It does make a difference.
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A constitutional convention is a TERRIBLE idea. The 2A would be untouched. Far more concerning is the rest.
The problem I see is how do we do this because do we have the senators and representatives be the delegates or what. The reason I say that is should have a convention every 40/50 years, it will depend on the political landscape what proposals for amendments are put up. If Christian conservatives are in power, we may see amendments banning Roe V. Wade and Marriage passed by Congress for instance that may get passed but as political landscapes change in a decade may not be what the public truly wants (see prohibition for example.) At the time of the constitutional convention there were no political parties proper, just federalists and anti-federalists. It wasn't until by the time the Bill of Rights was fully ratified that we saw the Federalist and Democratic-Republican Parties formed. We had already elected a non political party affiliated president, George Washington by that point.
I think that adding amendment to the Constitution is an exercise in futility, as if the government really gives a crap about the Constitution now days. We have had a government in place since FDR that has done nothing but skirt the Constitution at any chance it gets. What we need is the people of this country to wake up and realize that WE are the government, WE give the federal government its power and WE can take that power away.
The Constitution was a great idea while it lasted. This government regards the Constitution as its enemy. May it RIP. It died a noble death of a thousand stab wounds. Took its last breath with the passage of the great Constitution Killer: AKA- The Patriot Act.
Date of Birth: 1787
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Date of Death: 2001
Murderer: Bush/Cheney (AKA: Bushbarians)
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I just saw on Fahreed's show that a book about which amendments should be made has been recently published. It was written by a retired justice, John Paul Stevens: http://www.amazon.com/Six-Amendments...s=6+amendments
He proposes (among others): 4)The Second Amendment: 'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms when serving in the Militia shall not be infringed.
He proposes (among others): 4)The Second Amendment: 'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms when serving in the Militia shall not be infringed.
I don't think our society is mature or responsible enough to be adding or taking things away from the constitution at this point in time. Our leadership is as morally bankrupt as it's been in generations, we are bereft of new ideological ideas and our new culture of interconnectivity and instant gratification is in its infancy and has yet to evolve past a mob mentality. Any changes we would make to the constitution now would be ill conceived, thoughtless and opportunistic. There may be some changes that need to be made but by God this is not the time to do it.
Best post in the thread thus far - and so, so true.
If I were to make one change to the Constitution, I would ban professional lobbying of congressional representatives and institute major campaign finance reform. Those two issues (or rather, that one double-headed snake) is more responsible for the destruction of our system of government than any other single factor in our country. Government of the people, by the people, for the people is now government of the people, by the wealthy, for the wealthy. It's ruined our country, beyond the point of repair. I no longer believe there is any going back from it.
Do you think that the constitution of the united states needs to have more amendments to bring it into the 21st century?.Obviously the 2nd amendment is the hot button issue but are there any other parts of the constitution that needs updating?.
No......because really what you are asking there is should we have a Constitutional Convention?
If it needs to be updated (and I don't think it does) then don't do it part way but use a Constitutional Convention.
Best post in the thread thus far - and so, so true.
If I were to make one change to the Constitution, I would ban professional lobbying of congressional representatives and institute major campaign finance reform. Those two issues (or rather, that one double-headed snake) is more responsible for the destruction of our system of government than any other single factor in our country. Government of the people, by the people, for the people is now government of the people, by the wealthy, for the wealthy. It's ruined our country, beyond the point of repair. I no longer believe there is any going back from it.
Agree. The early posts here drove me away.
As a naturalized citizen, I didn't learn as much about the Constitution in school as natural borns.
Just that it was a document to be revered. I much admire Madison.
Several years ago I read on the interwebs, that among constitutional scholars globally, the US Constitution is no longer seen as a "shining city on a hill". That surprised me. Apparently, most new constitutions adopted in the 20th century have not followed the US model. I'll see if I can find reference to it.
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