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Old 01-14-2017, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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A big difference between the town drunk and the town meth head.
I have a drunk living a couple blocks away.
He causes me no problem when he is drunk.
I wouldn't want a guy high on meth living two blocks away.
Most people who use meth or any other drug don't act crazy or commit crimes, just like most people who drink don't drive drunk or pee on the sidewalk and throw up on themselves. People who engage in outrageous behavior or resort to criminal or antisocial behavior usually have comorbid mental health or personality disorders.

There are functional addicts no matter what the substance, heroin, meth, cocaine, pills, alcohol. Most of these people have enough money to support their habit or they have learned to moderate their use. There are people who use drugs for a short period of time while others use them for years. We tend to engage in a mass hysteria every few years over a particular drug, coke, meth, heroin etc. and we are led to believe that people who use the drug are lost forever in their addiction, but the reality is most people quit using drugs on their own, without tough love or rehab. Even long time addicts quit, it's a phenomenon called 'maturing out'

Everything You Know About Meth Addiction Is Wrong - Business Insider

https://www.opensocietyfoundations.o...d-20140218.pdf
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Old 01-14-2017, 10:12 PM
 
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Most people who use meth or any other drug don't act crazy or commit crimes, just like most people who drink don't drive drunk or pee on the sidewalk and throw up on themselves. People who engage in outrageous behavior or resort to criminal or antisocial behavior usually have comorbid mental health or personality disorders.

There are functional addicts no matter what the substance, heroin, meth, cocaine, pills, alcohol. Most of these people have enough money to support their habit or they have learned to moderate their use. There are people who use drugs for a short period of time while others use them for years. We tend to engage in a mass hysteria every few years over a particular drug, coke, meth, heroin etc. and we are led to believe that people who use the drug are lost forever in their addiction, but the reality is most people quit using drugs on their own, without tough love or rehab. Even long time addicts quit, it's a phenomenon called 'maturing out'

Everything You Know About Meth Addiction Is Wrong - Business Insider

https://www.opensocietyfoundations.o...d-20140218.pdf


Most of the break ins of houses in our town is done by meth heads needing cash for drugs.


I have never heard of a break in done by a drunk because he had a strong craving for alcohol.
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Old 01-14-2017, 10:17 PM
 
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Most of the break ins of houses in our town is done by meth heads needing cash for drugs.


I have never heard of a break in done by a drunk because he had a strong craving for alcohol.
No but you have heard of drunks getting into fights and causing car accidents have you not?
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Old 01-14-2017, 10:23 PM
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When people buy illegal hard drugs, there is usually organized crime involved. By supplying money to organized crime, they're supporting it. They're traitors in the war on organized crime. Most countries, throughout human history, have executed traitors. We give them a slap on the wrist. That motivates them to continue their treason.

That's the real reason we're losing the war on drugs. We don't have what it takes to fight that kind of war. We're like little kids, shooting cap guns and squirt guns at the bad guys. 40 years of a little kids' war on drugs and organized crime, and what do we have to show for it? Surely we must have something to show for it? We can't have simply wasted those 40 years of cap gun ammo and squirt gun water, can we?
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Old 01-14-2017, 10:27 PM
 
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When people buy illegal hard drugs, there is usually organized crime involved. By supplying money to organized crime, they're supporting it. They're traitors in the war on organized crime. Most countries, throughout human history, have executed traitors. We give them a slap on the wrist. That motivates them to continue their treason.

That's the real reason we're losing the war on drugs. We don't have what it takes to fight that kind of war. We're like little kids, shooting cap guns and squirt guns at the bad guys. 40 years of a little kids' war on drugs and organized crime, and what do we have to show for it? Surely we must have something to show for it? We can't have simply wasted those 40 years of cap gun ammo and squirt gun water, can we?
In the past, then countries who are now considered industrialized nations stopped this practice while some third world countries still engage in it.
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Old 01-14-2017, 11:05 PM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Most of the break ins of houses in our town is done by meth heads needing cash for drugs.


I have never heard of a break in done by a drunk because he had a strong craving for alcohol.
You dont seem to know many alcoholics then. Also a majority of the people you hear about committing such crimes are just chalked up to meth but most have alcohol as a factor too they just dont report that part of the equation on your local news channel.

https://www.alcoholrehabguide.org/alcohol/crimes/
https://www.ncadd.org/about-addictio...rugs-and-crime

Also it was suggested that one would rather live close to a alcoholic than a person on meth- I would like to inform them that they are probably living very close to a person on meth because the medication that is given to children to treat ADHD (Adderall) is the same thing and many adults take it as well via prescription and will continue to do so for the rest of their lives. So wake up and realize just what you are living around.
Neuroscientist: Meth Is Virtually Identical to Adderall

Top Neuroscientist Explains How Big Pharma's Adderall Is Essentially Crystal Meth

I really believe that to be effective all substances that changes the way a person would think or behave without them has to be illegal or legal - period.
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Old 01-15-2017, 05:26 AM
 
Location: Canada
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I wonder if you realize that millions of lawyers, doctors and professionals of all types...have used many of these compounds? Sometimes for decades....
If they can respectfully take the prescriptions without going over the limit, then fine.

If not, just because they have a certificate on the wall doesn't mean they aren't dumbasses who are addicted just the same as the bums on the street.
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Old 01-15-2017, 06:45 AM
 
Location: USA
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I like the way it's done in Europe. Drugs are not a criminal offense. The state operates clinics and gives out clean needles and offers rehab for addicts if they choose to go that route. Just think about how much that would free up law enforcement to go do other things than busting some teenager who has a little bit of pot.
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Old 01-15-2017, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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When I grew up heroin was painted as the worst of the worst. Highly addictive, life encompassing, and almost impossible to get off of for more than short periods of time. That resonated with my generation and most people made certain they avoided trying it. Lots of early education is the key.
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Old 01-15-2017, 07:48 AM
 
Location: The Triad
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Best way to get rid of hard drugs like heroin and meth
and prevent young people from experimenting with them? What do you think is the best means to solve this problem?
Your topic and questions are a false premise...
they assume not only that there is ANY way to achieve these goals
but that there are multiple ways to choose among.

In short... there aren't any ways.

Even if we were able to eradicate drug X or drug Y in total there will quickly be something else
in the market to replace it. Hell, that's how heroin came into being --as an alternative to morphine.

The BEST we can do is limit damage and risk.
Most of those solutions are about returning control and distribution of these pharmaceuticals
and other synthetics to the Doctors and the Pharmacists and the social workers...
and getting the cops and the Courts and the jails and most of all the MONEY out of the picture.
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