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Old 01-17-2017, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Illegal drugs do expressly harm others. Buying them provides money to criminals. That money is then used to build their criminal enterprises. The more criminals, and the bigger the criminal enterprises, the more victims there will be, and the more harm to each victim on average. When a hit man from a drug gang shoots a teenager, using a gun bought with money your "free person" spent on illegal drugs, it's that person supporting the murder, as if that person had hired the hit man. And they can't use the excuse that it's the hit man's fault, and they only hired him but didn't do the actual murder. Some even shoot little children, to punish their parents for not obeying the orders of the drug lords. People who buy illegal drugs need to think more, to be sure they really want to be involved in such crimes as murdering little children to punish their parents for disobeying drug lords.
I dont know where you get your information from and would like to see something to back up what you are claiming. Here in America we are not hearing of drug lords that are killing children to punish whomever- that would be a media bonanza and you can bet that the persons responsible would be held accountable .

Criminal enterprises will be around with or without drugs as they have been for many years - starting with systems as simple as trash pickup to anything that is brought in this country, unions, alcohol and cigarettes, prostitution and so on. The list is endless for them to profit - extortion has been around since the dawn of time. So by locking up the people that do drugs as a way to stop them from existing is ridiculous to even consider.

The biggest drug dealers are large pharmaceutical manufacturers and we know where they are so maybe we should arrest some of them and put them in your jail in the dessert? Or how about the banks (Wachovia) that were laundering the drug cartels money and only received a small fine and no one went to jail but they profited majorly as did the murdering drug cartels they catered to.

Awash In Cash, Drug Cartels Rely On Big Banks To Launder Profits : Parallels : NPR

What you are suggesting to do to individuals that are being already taken advantage of is pretty inhumane and misdirected anger towards them.

To legalize and manage the drugs distributed and tax it would for sure put a dent in the profits of criminal enterprises . But then again all the cops and every other organization that our tax dollars pay salary to might have to get a real job instead of making a living by torturing the addicts which has done nothing to help with this growing problem.
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Old 01-17-2017, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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The president of the Philippines already found a solution.
Controversial, yes, but it would be hard to get drugs when all the drug dealers are dead.
They are killing drug users as well as dealers in the Philippines.
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Old 01-17-2017, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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Perhaps we should just wall off some part of the US and let anyone who wants to be drug user move there. But they have to get a vasectomy first (men) or the tubes tied (women) and no children can come along if mom and dad go in. (Drug users should not be parents). No cars inside. People inside get drugs for free. If they want out they have to be clean for 90 days and they can then leave. Job training provided. Detox provided. No criminal record but once inside they cannot leave until clean.
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Old 01-17-2017, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Perhaps we should just wall off some part of the US and let anyone who wants to be drug user move there. But they have to get a vasectomy first (men) or the tubes tied (women) and no children can come along if mom and dad go in. (Drug users should not be parents). No cars inside. People inside get drugs for free. If they want out they have to be clean for 90 days and they can then leave. Job training provided. Detox provided. No criminal record but once inside they cannot leave until clean.
People who drink alcohol go there too, right?
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Old 01-17-2017, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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They are killing drug users as well as dealers in the Philippines.
Along with innocent people who are accused by paid informants
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Old 01-17-2017, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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People who drink alcohol go there too, right?
If they want. All the booze they can drink. But gotta be sober 90 days to leave.

But if the guy wants to drink fine Scotch, he's gotta pay for it himself.
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Old 01-17-2017, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Perhaps we should just wall off some part of the US and let anyone who wants to be drug user move there. But they have to get a vasectomy first (men) or the tubes tied (women) and no children can come along if mom and dad go in. (Drug users should not be parents). No cars inside. People inside get drugs for free. If they want out they have to be clean for 90 days and they can then leave. Job training provided. Detox provided. No criminal record but once inside they cannot leave until clean.
This might be a solution but it will never be implemented because too many people would lose their jobs fighting the war on drugs along with private prisons - they need the addicts to survive now too. Also the cost - how would we fund such a place?
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Old 01-17-2017, 05:28 PM
 
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If they want. All the booze they can drink. But gotta be sober 90 days to leave. But if the guy wants to drink fine Scotch, he's gotta pay for it himself.
So you are claiming that a person who smokes weed has to be sterilized and isolated against their will in your "special place" but for drunks it's optional? Do you realize the hypocrisy of that?
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Old 01-17-2017, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Also the doctors that write out or did write out enough pain meds to get someone addicted should be punished for doing it. They know what the risks are or were and still wrote them time after time to patient - they should have to be held accountable.

My alcoholic mother was taking a ton of pain meds a few years ago and I was concerned and did not understand why her doctor kept prescribing them to her as she could very well die from the combo. I finally called her doctors office and asked to speak with her doctor who of course did not call me back but had her assistant call me to inform me that due to laws the good doctor would not be talking to me. So I told the assistant to give her a message for me - it was that if she continued to give my mom pain meds knowing she is alcoholic and my mom dies from this combo that I will sue her for everything I can. Her assistant then told me that they were very well aware of my moms drinking problem in the office and that she would tell the doctor. The following day my step dad gets call from her asking him to come in and he did - he told me that she told him about my call and also told him she wanted him to throw out pain meds and to understand that she would not be giving them to my mom anymore. She also talked about her drinking problem with him. The funny thing is she still should not have called him to discuss anything since my mom never gave her permission.But I got what I wanted - still pretty sad that I had to call a "internal specialist" that has been in business for over 20 years to get her to stop- imagine if I hadnt and the other families that she effected that never called like I had. Ridiculous

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Old 01-17-2017, 07:29 PM
 
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Perhaps we should just wall off some part of the US and let anyone who wants to be drug user move there. But they have to get a vasectomy first (men) or the tubes tied (women) and no children can come along if mom and dad go in. (Drug users should not be parents). No cars inside. People inside get drugs for free. If they want out they have to be clean for 90 days and they can then leave. Job training provided. Detox provided. No criminal record but once inside they cannot leave until clean.
You just described the whole country.

We have lots of walled off areas that people who do drugs wall themselves in voluntarily - they are called Gated Communities.

We also have places called "cities" where lots of people do bad things.

Colorado doesn't have a wall around it yet - but Co. and Ma and quite a few others have legalized "the drugs".

I sure wish they would have put away Rushbo back when he was eating 20 doses of opiates per day. Good thing he's not breeding.
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