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Old 08-09-2017, 10:31 PM
 
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The article references one illegal alien who voted five times. He was arrested and convicted of this offense.

The idea that you could extrapolate from this article that "millions" of illegal votes are being cast by illegal aliens (and are undetected) goes beyond absurd. Frankly, these kinds of stories say more about the people who write them and refer to them than they do about elections in this country.

We asked for proof that millions of illegal votes were cast in elections. If this is your best shot, you lose.
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Old 08-09-2017, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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So what. Naturally there is voter fraud. There always has been. There always will be. But it isn't "millions" of people, and you have NO evidence that it is. Your evidence -- 1 person. Geeeeez!
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Old 08-09-2017, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Nor does that matter. In categorizing the population between "free," "temporarily bound," and "others other than free or temporarily bound," the Framers set a situation that reduced the power of being a slaveholder below that which the slaveholders desired. Slaveholders wanted their slaves fully counted but did not get what they wanted; abolitionists would not have counted slaves at all. Yes, this was a compromise, but it was a compromise that still works when nobody is in the category of "other other than free or temporarily bound."



We have to understand and remember what the essential compromise really was. The issue of counting free versus counting "bound" was only a census rule. Just a census rule.

The essential compromise(aka the "Great Compromise") was the balance of equality of states in the Union versus population of states in the Union.

Not a single one of those autonomous states would have ratified a constitution that did not look toward equality of states in the Union in both the Executive and Legislative Branches. The most populous would not have accepted a constitution that did not look toward the power of numbers.

The Electoral College does the same thing for the Executive Branch that two Houses do for the Legislative Branch: It provides a compromise between the equality of each state in the Union and the power of numbers.

The need for that compromise has not diminished at all.
Eh, the problem with that compromise is magnified by the Electoral College in a way. While I don't like one man, one vote as it would remove the equalization of rural voters, it hurts more populated states to have the current system. I don't want to hurt rural voters at the same time. This is why I go with my proportional vote.
  • It don't remove the importance of rural voters that a National Popular Vote or NPV Pact would do and in fact strengthens it.
  • It allows urban and suburban votes to have strength but not to a level the NPV would.
  • It removes the importance on swing states that we would see in the current system or even the congressional districts proposal.
  • It allows a non-gerrymandered situation that you would see with congressional districts since BOTH parties do it.
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Old 08-09-2017, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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One down, 3 million to go. Show me that more did this. Also I think I recall a Trump voter doing this too...
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Old 08-09-2017, 11:05 PM
 
Location: South Texas
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The article references one illegal alien who voted five times. He was arrested and convicted of this offense.

The idea that you could extrapolate from this article that "millions" of illegal votes are being cast by illegal aliens (and are undetected) goes beyond absurd. Frankly, these kinds of stories say more about the people who write them and refer to them than they do about elections in this country.

We asked for proof that millions of illegal votes were cast in elections. If this is your best shot, you lose.
It's a shame you don't know what a microcosm is - or do you actually believe this is the only time an illegal alien has ever voted?
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Old 08-09-2017, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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It's a shame you don't know what a microcosm is - or do you actually believe this is the only time an illegal alien has ever voted?
Nearly 3 million illegal votes need to be cast whether you talk dead voters (this is a crock that has no real proof), illegal immigrants (again little proof) and multiple votes (the most possible.) Is there 3 million of these who voted Clinton that would give Trump the popular vote victory?
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Old 08-09-2017, 11:21 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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It's a shame you don't know what a microcosm is - or do you actually believe this is the only time an illegal alien has ever voted?
1. Do you have PROOF that there were MILLIONS of illegal votes in the last election. YES or NO. When you do, come back and talk to us.

2. What does that have to do with the Electoral College?
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Old 08-10-2017, 04:19 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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The Electoral College was created as a direct result of slavery.

The southern states objected to electing the president with a direct popular vote because a large portion of the southern population were slaves and as such could not vote. The southern plantation owners feared that the North would always dominate a popular vote because there were more white voters in the north. The three-fifths compromise was brokered to allow the southern states to count slaves as 3/5ths of a person for the purpose of calculating the number of presidential electors.

The stated purpose of the Electoral College, to accommodate slavery as an institution, as long since evaporated. It is time to send the Electoral College into the dust bin of history where it belongs.
That may have been the original purpose but today it's purpose is to keep states that would cheat like Cali giving million of Mexicans a vote and Chicago having millions of people voting from the grave from controlling the election. The EC has worked brilliantly and performed at its best this last election cycle to prevent millions of Cali illegals from electing Hitlary.
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Old 08-10-2017, 06:57 AM
 
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the illegal vote post that started here the last couple pages doesnt have anything to do with the topic of the constitutional electoral college
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Old 08-10-2017, 07:32 AM
 
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So what I'm hearing is we should rather than change the cap for Represenatives, change the population cap. Say it is 1,000,000 people per rep, that means that New York City has 16 Represenatives in it of itself. That don't really help the problem. The house is big and bloated already. It also has little benefit to the Electoral College vote either.

In a side not, let's keep to the topic and not get side tracked by Congress unless the answer is Congress itself...
I don't know where you're hearing that, certainly not from me. We should change the cap on membership of the House of Representatives. Period.

And it does help the problem. The cap artificially skews representation numbers from the state. How do we determine how many electors a state has??????????
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